This thread has gone beyond ridiculous. To add two cents, we all pay the same tax and thus the city should send children where ever they fit. Naturally if people flock to the district of a 'good' school the city will have to reduce the size of its district to keep the school size stable. Does this not occur to people?

"Separately, Lucille, the father is an ape in this circumstance."

then i think they'll be ok if they just keep clear of orthodox chinese

but seriously alan, since you're friends with these people, please discourage them from contacting kw. no need to drag normal people into this.

ok. but if kw somehow finds her way to this thread, i want to offer my most sincere appology even though, as i hope she'll note, this was not my fault.

Pier45: schools are rezoned. 234 was rezoned. Lower UWS was rezoned this year. They're rezoning 6/290 and many of the UES schools. But that's still not enough to cut down the intake. And all that does is spread the population growth around without increasing the number of seats. And that only gets you so far. I suppose they could impose a Bay area model where all kids lotto into all schools (with some parental preference thrown in) but I can't imagine the chaos that would create here.

"I hated both my kids PTA prez... .something about them just reeeked of "their involvement" was somehow designed to make their kids popular or at least not get their asses kicked. .... what a pile of horsepile"

ok, but let's just stop ourselves before we say anything truly stupid like insult dedicated parents and remember that i live in nj, my kids have not even started school yet, and when they do i plan to devote myself to ardently avoiding any pta responsibilty. which is why i moved to the burbs in the first place.

i'll try reading your post again in the morning, maybe this random composite of words will make sense then.

how clever of you wbottom, to pick out the 5 words that actually work together as words were meant to and form a recognizable point.

i sense your confusion, but yes, mj, that's right a pta president, or any any parent that takes an active role in the school and dedicates time and energy to improving the school deserves kudos. parents who bitch and moan about stupid sh*t deserve mockery. and you never did answer my question, just how versed ARE you in matters of new york public schools?

10023, have to say something to you. i don't know why you did this to this woman, why you dragged someone's real name into the bullsh*t on this board. especially a clearly respected someone who has a history of working to improve her community. you couldn't have possibly believed she and i are the same person. what was the point? why did you do that? because she and i share a point of view that conflicts with your own? do you even understand how obnoxious you are?

Lucy -- You posed the following questions to 10023: "what was the point? why did you do that? do you even understand how obnoxious you are?

Please answer those questions yourself because they apply to every comment you make.

pier45: "To add two cents, we all pay the same tax and thus the city should send children where ever they fit."

No, actually, people making $200K/year pay about ten times as much tax as people making $20K/year.

I suppose that whether or not you think the $200K/year parents are entitled to "better" public education because they pay a lot more taxes is a matter of philosophy rather than fact. But remember that "better" does not mean costlier, it means a school without any poor students attending it.

Furthermore, whether or not parents should have a say in where their children go to school, or if it should be figured out by government bureaucrats, is also a matter of philosophy.

I should add that it's actually LESS expensive to educate rich children, because they don't require Head Start, special ed, free lunches, ESL teachers, extra security, etc.

Rich parents just want a school where all the other students have rich parents, and this school would be less expensive per student than the school for poor children.

Better does not mean less poor students attending it per se. Quite the contrary, given this thread - in the Bay Area many of the best-performing schools have large South- and East-Asian student bodies, and are poor compared to wealthier, but poorer-performing mostly white schools.

jason10006: "Better does not mean less poor students attending it per se."

Umm, you missed the whole point of this thread. Rich white parents were upset that city bureaucrats decided to send their children to a school with excellent test scores but which is full of poor Asian students.

There's more to perceived school desirability than just its test scores.

No bob_d. You missed the point of the whole thread, which was how not being able to get into your neighborhood school affects real estate values and decisions. You and Lucille decided instead to turn it into some diatribe on liberal elites, real vs. faux asians and other such useless culture war bullshit. Do you feel better now that you have your schadenfreude because some parents you never met and whose race and political ideology you don't actually know, didn't get what they want? That's great you petty loser. Now how about making some contribution regarding real estate?

"Do you feel better now that you have your schadenfreude because some parents you never met and whose race and political ideology you don't actually know, didn't get what they want?"

Yes, I do feel better, and I DO know their race and political ideology, they are white Democrats.

As the song in Avenue Q says, "Everyone's a Little Racist"--Except there are times when they are not.

SMH at most of the responses to this thread. As a minority, I have experienced racism and it is quite disturbing when the term is loosely thrown around.

As someone who has lived in Lower Manhattan for over 20 years and seen its tremendous growth, I would like to note that the problem is that the school age population has literally skyrocketed but the city has largely ignored the problem and has basically not had the foresight to build enough schools to accommodate the "new normal." Blaming the parents who want to send their children to neighborhood schools, calling them racists...Again, I'm just SMH. Why isn't there anger over the lack of planning by the city which encouraged overbuilding in Lower Manhattan after 9/11, but didn't build enough schools to meet future demands?

If the Tribeca parents are "racists" how is it that there are quite a few Asian-origin names on a petition against the DoE's assignment of waitlisted families from one overcrowded community to another? See:
www.ipetitions.com/petition/ps234petition/

As someone who actually knows Chinese immigrants as neighbors (i.e., I have eaten in Chinatown not only in restaurants but also in a Confucius Plaza apartment), I'm not surprised that there are individuals with Asian-origin names who signed the petition. As the realtor (a Chinese immigrant) who sold me my condo noted, Asians really like Tribeca and Battery Park City because of the greenery. So call me racist, I'm siding with the parents of all ethnic backgrounds who want to send their kids to a neighborhood school. Don't let the fact that:

-- my insurance company (on Pell St since 1888) is run by Chinese-Americans,
-- my real estate lawyer is Chinese-American (born in Chinatown),
-- my title insurer is Chinese-American (born in Chinatown),
-- posts on my facebook page are in English, Spanish, Mandarin, & French,

deter you from calling me a racist.

Anyone who actually lives in the area knows how tough it is to get to Chinatown from Tribeca and Battery Park City. There are no crosstown buses on Canal Street (extremely busy because of the traffic going to the Holland Tunnel or to The Manhattan Bridge) and the subway lines run north-south so taking the subway is not an option. On the other hand, the grade schools in Tribeca and Battery Park City are served not only by the M20 bus but also by the Downtown Connection shuttlebus which makes life a lot easier for students and parents.

Again, wow. SMH. End of.

" You and Lucille decided instead to turn it into some diatribe on liberal elites, real vs. faux asians and other such useless culture war bullshit."

i can't tell if you're serious. are you serious? how could you possibly be serious. the entire "problem" here is a cultural war. did that fail to register with you? please go back and read the article you yourself linked, 10023's posts along with others of that nature, and then, i don't know, take a bong hit, another one, and read them again and again. and realize and understand what "culture" means. like, let it get inside you brain.

"u missed the point of the whole thread, which was how not being able to get into your neighborhood school affects real estate values and decisions."

well, i think you may have answered your own question there, and accidentally maybe even addressed the "useless culture war". do YOU think this will change things? do YOU think tribeca-ites will have reservations about tribeca if their spawn may have to go to an excellent public school in chinatown with little chinamen? what's your gut tellin'ya?? go with it malthus.

"Do you feel better now that you have your schadenfreude because some parents you never met and whose race and political ideology you don't actually know, didn't get what they want?"

i don't feel better because i wasn't feeling badly, but the people who feel that 130 is somehow beneath them are assholes. and the people who expressed their feelings to the press are very very stupid assholes. hope that clears things up for you.

matsonjones,

yes
yes
no

your kids are too old for you to be able to relate to this. long story short, i moved my family to nj because i knew this is where schools are headed. and i don't want to deal with it. the reason i am sill on this board is now that i am no longer in the market for a family apartment, i am kind of, a little bit in the market for a 1br condo place in the city. when i still cared about the school thing i posted here as alex09. hope that clears things up.

"As a minority, I have experienced racism and it is quite disturbing when the term is loosely thrown around."

i wish you had lost me at that sentence, but against my better judgement i kept reading. no further comment.

i know, but that's why i'm only a little bit, kind of in the market for one. just slightly.

"Please answer those questions yourself because they apply to every comment you make."

being a good troll is in many ways like being a good actor. you have to really be your character, think like them, speak like them, BE them. when you tell me or anyone else that a post is irrelevant you let yourself out of the character of midtowneast. midtowneast doesn't say anything relevant. you are speaking as your actual self and legitimate handle, which i happen to believe is inonada, but i've made mistakes before.

Here's something relevant: you are Huntersburg and several other trolls, which means you'll be booted off SE shortly. Why don't you give it up before then because everyone has figured out who you are and we're tired of your shit. I am not Inonada, who is far more intelligent and well-spoken, but that is a flattering mistake.

fake out! i actually figured out a long time ago that you're cc. and i'm not huntersburg you idiot.

he had to pretend. cc would stalk any new poster, so why would his alternate personality be different?

really?
there goes THIS handle, birdbrain. any ideas as to your next name?

yes, dummy, too old. read it again. and again.

@matsonjones

I used the "ignore this person" option on lucillebluth.

i advise all of you who don't like lucille to just ignore her. because if you stupid shit and she sees it, chances are she'll stop what she's doing to point and laugh. dismissed.

I prefer "report abuse" for Lucille Huntersburg.

ok, maybe you really this stupid (and angry and vulgar! what kind of example is that for your 3/4 of a second child?) this is a problem of over crowding. you would not have had to deal with this if your last child started kindergarten 10 years ago. you're welcome.

do you know this? i always kind of assumed you know who we are (which keeps lucy like 95% honest)

no no columbiacounty. he KNOWS

touché

thanks, i missed the word 'say' in there. i seriously can't believe that you continue posting here like nothing happened, every single time. it's truly bizarre.

huntersburg, some people have floated the very reasonable idea that midtownhooker is actually aboutready. you think?

Lucille, have you even been prescribed medication by a psychiatrist?

only ones i've asked for

what about cc? he says things like eewww and yuck and omg. is he the grumpy old woodsman he is assumed to be?

fyi ar, i didn't read what you wrote. you have very serious problems and you are not doing yourself or anyone else in your life any favors by broadcasting your insanity into the world wide web, to remain there FOREVER

you're not grey to me! you turned out to be one of the few normal people here!

ok, i read it. wtf are you talking about now? i mean, the positions we prefer do tend to change over time, a little disturbing to be explaining this to you. i thought you were married? same position all these years?