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Looking at studio apartments. Most kitchens would need updating. Is it much cheaper to keep sink and stove in current location?
For example, would need to replace all appliances, new cabinets, new countertops, backsplash, floor tiles. Kitchens have been ranging from 7 x 7 to 7 x 9 and also some 5 x 9.
It is cheaper to keep stove and sink at existing location because moving it to different location requires plumbing work which is moving the drainage and water supply for the sink and moving the gas piping for the stove (unless your stove is electrical).
you can relocate your stove and sink cheaply, as long as you keep them on the same wall. and most buildings wont let you rerout gas or plumbing to a wall different from that where risers/drains are located.
I think a big issue is what people think is cheap and what they think expensive is. Obviously it is cheaper to keep everything in existing locations but if you are moving the stove 24" it might not cost anything extra. It also depends on how expensive the plumber who the gc hires is. Also keep in mind that if you decide to move appliances around your building might then make you hire an architect for drawings, usually when you are keeping the appliances in the same location you do not need to hire one.
If I'm not moving appliances, would I still need board approval and all those permits? Haven't found an apartment yet but all this factors into the price. Do any of you do small jobs? Thanks.
Even to replace appliances, cabinets, etc. in place, your co-op will almost certainly have some type of review & approval process. However avoiding relocations means:
- simpler and faster co-op review (less for them to consider)
- avoid city permits (subcontractors might file minor paperwork with small fees, but until you move walls or relocate plumbing, the city doesn't require plan review, approvals/permits, or inspections)
- together, the above will tend to eliminate any need for you to hire a licensed architect or engineer to create drawings, and also avoids hiring an expediter to handle the permit paperwork with the city DoB.
If you're calling remodeling the kitchen small job then yes, I'm pretty sure a lot of people here would do it.
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You should not need the permits, board approval yes. Usually they need a scope of work along with your contractors license and insurance as well as the plumber.
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Small correction: most coops do not oppose moving gas lines a bit or even dragging them across the kitchen. Gas line is a very small pipe that easily fits under floor. Moving water supplies and drains is a completely different story.
Seconding uptown_joe's point. When I had the kitchen updated before moving into a new apartment, I was able to do it through the building's "decoration agreement" process instead of the "alteration agreement" because the layout was staying the same. Both agreements require security deposits, proof of insurance and licenses, and so on, but the fees to the management company are much higher for a project under an alteration agreement. I'm sure that, as joe pointed out, the approval process would have taken longer too.
Thank you all. Have kept the contact info given above. Will contact when I find a place.