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What are some approaches that condos are taking to go after illegal short-term rentals (airbnb, etc.)? or at the very least, to regulate short-term rentals?
By-Laws provide for leases with a minimum of 30 days, although the management company has been enforcing a 6 month minimum and the Board acts as if the minimum is one year when approving Waivers of RoFR.
On a side note, is a Condo in NYC lawfully allowed to demand that residents register their overnight guests, in the name of going after those renting in airbnb, as well as "increased security" in the building?
In my opinion, it poses privacy issues for a resident having to do this, specially if she or he is not even involved with short term leasing. It also raises the question of how much say the homeowner has over their property.
I have heard of co-ops that ask that visitors staying for longer than a week register, but for overnight is kind of ridiculous.
Why would a building not want to know who is in it?
The great majority of people are not registered when visiting, they are just let in by the front desk.
Now, are they going to ask the person "are you spending the night?" to decide whether to register them?
are they going to stop an owner walking in with someone who they refuse to register?
Is the building entitled to Access Control to the owner's apt. when said owner comes home with someone?
The way I put it is, is it a presumably expensive apt. or am I suddenly back at a college dorm being tightly controlled to prevent people from bringing overnight guests?
All in the name of going after airBnB, no less.
Is the building entitled to access control for the building - yes, if the condo board wants it, for sure. They can accomplish that several ways, by requiring guests to be called up, guests entering with an owner, and then otherwise rules when the owner is absent.
There is no disputing of there being access control when a guest arrives by themselves, for example to pick up keys and enter to stay.
I'm talking about the situation where the tenant or owner arrives with the guest, etc. Or the guest gets called up by the tenant.
I think that it is easy for an employee to confuse all of the above circumstances, specially when the Board plainly speaks about overnight guest registration.
I lived in a rental building with a guest log and must say it was really annoying. It appeared to be a tool to harass the rent controlled ones, but they used it with everyone.
I don't understand what keeping a log would accomplish. And the notion of needing to register overnight guests is offensive and a gross invasion on someone's privacy rights.
And i though coops were invasive....
By the way, what neighborhood is this in?
way to beat it to death.
>way to beat it to death.
You and that horse again?
If you don't like the rules, don't live there....
This is a free country after all.
"I don't understand what keeping a log would accomplish."
TOP already said. Rooting out people illegally hoteling. I live in a rental building, and even here it would be awkward to have new random strangers in the unit every week. I'm sure a condo or coop would care even more.
How does that root out anything? I often let people stay at my place if I am gone away. My friends need someone to babysit their cat. What do you do with a list of names? If people are doing AIrbnb, would the rational thing not be to go on Airbnb and take screen shots?
BTW - didn't NYC make short-term rentals like this illegal a year ago or something?
Yes under 30 day rentals are illegal. But NYC is a lot like Toronto or Ottawa, people occasionally do illegal things here.
The first time I ever experienced guest sign-in at a building's concierge desk was in Battery Park City, in one of the first buildings shortly after it opened. It was populated largely by Californians who were terrified of New York, had a cloister mentality, and loved to say that their neighborhood is "like not living in New York City". Telling.
I felt like a janitor signing in.
I would never live in a building that did that to its residents' guests. Baby with the bathwater. To the extent short-term rentals are a problem, deal with the specific apartment that's causing the problem.
Whether a catch-all approach is done out of laziness, or for the sense of total control by control freaks, or because of a continued cloister mentality (in a hyper-low-crime environment, usually) I don't know. But it's undignified in the extreme.
And FYI, I've never sublet my apartment out, long-term, middle-term or short-term.
"How does that root out anything? "
Do you not know anyone who makes money off of air b n b? Guess not. My friend in LA who does has 2-3 new "roomates" every month. This is the sort of thing a building would notice if every new AirBNB guest had to sign in.
Even if the building didn't notice it immediately, it is evidence that can be used at the eventual case.
Even more interesting is if the guest log has a check box for "paid short term guest" next to entries. Air BNB users are generally not trying to be slick. They paid for their room. They will honestly check it off.
A stupid list proves nothing in itself and as Alan says is a lazy catchall, that actually catches nothing. Buildings that go after people have used PIs and more obviously the advertised units.
What about the scenario where people do the house swap thing?
Or wife swap.
what would you put up?
Hi C0C0! How was your day with the c0ws?
If there is ever a book "StreetEasy Dialogues", you guys will be the main characters. And Alan of course.
"A stupid list proves nothing in itself and as Alan says is a lazy catchall, that actually catches nothing. Buildings that go after people have used PIs and more obviously the advertised units."
The fact that the building is listed on AirBNB is kind of all the proof you need. A quick scan of the site just now shows 9600 listings in MANHATTAN. Manhattan. Not NYC. Now how difficult would it be to find your neighbor on the site listing their unit? Not very. It shows you the listings ON A MAP and shows pictures. You can easily bust a neighbor.
alan is getting some strong support on this issue.