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AR maintenance for that unit is extremely high ($1400+ for a 1br without doorman). Is it possible that some of the decline in value is the result of larger than average maintenance increases?

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Okay, I didn't look to see what the maintenance was in 2005 and if it was already "premium". You are ae always one step ahead of me! Just thought the current maintenance was a little ridiculous in light of other places I have seen in the Soho/W Village area with equal dearth of services.

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26 East 10th Street (Beauclaire) #1011F: Same-unit resale of a three-bedroom duplex prewar coop. Closed 13.7% below early 2006 basis.
04/04/2006 Previous Sale recorded for $2,550,000.
09/25/2009 Listed by Prudential Elliman at $2,750,000.
10/28/2009 Price decreased by 6% to $2,595,000.
11/04/2009 Price decreased by 4% to $2,495,000.
02/13/2010 Listing entered contract.
06/03/2010 Sale recorded for $2,200,000.
http://streeteasy.com/nyc/sale/466178-coop-26-east-10th-street-greenwich-village-new-york

26 East 10th street either overpaid in 2006 and/or the 2010 listing broker didn't get a big enough number. Shouldn't have been a 350K loss imo for unique and well appointed apt such as this

realestated: The 2006 buyer/2010 seller is an astute guy from a very sophisticated family. If you want to dismisss that loss as an aberration, you're going to have to do better than "He should have bought it lower or sold it higher."

I know well who it is West 81st. Very sophisticated does not mean good with numbers. Actors and socialites don't always make the most sound financial decisions. Or take the time to understand markets. Why do you think he lost 350K, I'm curious if you have a good response.

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"Why do you think he lost 350K, I'm curious if you have a good response."

I think he lost $350K (plus expenses) because he bought in 2006 and sold in 2010. Unless you know something special about this particular sale, I'll stick with Occam's Razor.

It could have been worse. He could have bought eighteen months later.

I bought and sold in the exact same time frame at a 25% lesser price point and made 250K.

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New-development loft resale, 11% up from 2008 basis: http://streeteasy.com/nyc/sale/467209-condo-25-murray-tribeca-new-york

07/23/2008 Previous Sale recorded for $1,400,093. (2006 contract)
09/30/2009 Listed by Corcoran at $1,725,000.
10/06/2009 Price decreased by 2% to $1,695,000.
11/02/2009 Listing is no longer available.
02/03/2010 Re-listed by Corcoran.
02/03/2010 Price decreased by 3% to $1,649,500.
03/24/2010 Listing entered contract.
03/26/2010 Listing is no longer available.
05/05/2010 Listing entered contract.
06/01/2010 Sale recorded for $1,560,000.

Judging by discussions here from two years ago, the condo was quite a mess.

NWT, how can you tell it was a 2006 contract? Something in ACRIS?

It's on the NYS Real Property Transfer Report, scanned along with the deed.

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AR: I thought it looked like a fire sale too, but check the transaction history for the two parties to that "bulk sale".

Thanks, NWT: never realized it was sitting on that form the whole time.

Awwww, please just tell us what the transaction history reveals: don't make us all have to look it up. We're too lazy.

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Down 10% from 2005: http://streeteasy.com/nyc/sale/160076-coop-24-fifth-avenue-greenwich-village-new-york

08/10/2005 Previous Sale recorded for $1,300,000.
12/11/2007 Listed in StreetEasy, but temporarily delisted, by Prudential Elliman at $1,850,000.
12/18/2007 Re-listed by Prudential Elliman.
05/24/2008 Delisted temporarily.
10/16/2008 Re-listed by Prudential Elliman.
10/16/2008 Price decreased by 3% to $1,795,000.
11/20/2008 Delisted temporarily.
01/13/2009 Re-listed by Prudential Elliman.
01/27/2009 Price decreased by 8% to $1,650,000.
02/03/2009 Price decreased by 3% to $1,600,000.
02/16/2009 Listing is no longer available.
02/27/2009 Re-listed by Prudential Elliman.
08/08/2009 Price decreased by 6% to $1,499,999.
08/18/2009 Listing is no longer available.
09/10/2009 Re-listed by Prudential Elliman.
02/11/2010 Price decreased by 8% to $1,375,000.
03/09/2010 Listing is no longer available.
03/24/2010 Listing entered contract.
06/16/2010 Sale recorded for $1,175,000.

New-condo resale, down 6% from 2007: http://streeteasy.com/nyc/sale/507868-condo-130-west-19th-street-chelsea-new-york

05/18/2007 Previous Sale recorded for $1,603,743.
01/07/2009 Previously Listed by Prudential Elliman at $1,625,000.
04/09/2009 Prudential Elliman Listing is no longer available. Last priced at $1,500,000.
04/06/2010 Listed by Prudential Elliman at $1,575,000.
05/01/2010 Listing entered contract.
06/18/2010 Sale recorded for $1,510,000.

Studio with terrace, down 14% from 2005: http://streeteasy.com/nyc/sale/443325-coop-55-east-9th-street-greenwich-village-new-york

11/20/2005 Previously Listed in StreetEasy, but no longer available, by Prudential Elliman at $450,000.
02/15/2006 Previous Sale recorded for $511,000.
08/06/2009 Listed by Halstead Property at $575,000.
09/22/2009 Price decreased by 7% to $535,000.
11/13/2009 Price decreased by 7% to $499,000.
02/02/2010 Listing is no longer available.
03/25/2010 Re-listed by Halstead Property.
04/26/2010 Listing entered contract.
06/23/2010 Sale recorded for $440,000.

Down 22% from 2006: http://streeteasy.com/nyc/sale/482382-coop-65-nassau-street-financial-district-new-york

02/08/2006 Previously Listed by Prudential Elliman at $799,000.
07/13/2006 Prudential Elliman Listing sold. Last priced at $775,000.
07/13/2006 Previous Sale recorded for $740,000.
02/03/2009 Previously Listed by Brown Harris Stevens at $865,000.
09/08/2009 Brown Harris Stevens Listing is no longer available. Last priced at $760,000.
12/04/2009 Listed by Brown Harris Stevens at $695,000.
02/10/2010 Price decreased by 8% to $639,000.
03/03/2010 Price decreased by 7% to $595,000.
04/30/2010 Listing entered contract.
06/29/2010 Sale recorded for $577,000.

Up 25% from 2006: http://streeteasy.com/nyc/sale/502295-coop-720-greenwich-street-west-village-new-york

10/24/2006 Previous Sale recorded for $400,000.
03/13/2010 Listed by Citi-Habitats at $539,000.
03/22/2010 Price decreased by 7% to $499,999.
04/14/2010 Listing entered contract.
07/07/2010 Sale recorded for $499,000.

Walk-up studio, up 15% from 2004: http://streeteasy.com/nyc/sale/516863-coop-260-west-21st-street-chelsea-new-york

09/30/2004 Previous Sale recorded for $345,000.
04/24/2010 Listed by Corcoran at $399,000.
05/12/2010 Listing entered contract.
07/07/2010 Sale recorded for $399,000.

Gramercy 2bd coop -- down 25% from higher floor peak: http://streeteasy.com/nyc/building/32-gramercy-park-south-new_york
Floorplans look the same across the a line. Listing for 15A also indicates it was blinged out. Blah, blah, blah. Sure. Whatevs.

08/05/2010 #10A $1,199,000
08/28/2009 #14A $1,211,000
06/12/2008 #2A $1,117,500
09/28/2007 #15A $1,605,000
09/09/2005 #8A $950,000
11/05/2004 #5A $823,250

Prime 1/1, down a hair from 2007, but took 2.5 years to sell: http://streeteasy.com/nyc/sale/487460-coop-39-fifth-avenue-greenwich-village-new-york

09/06/2006 Previously Listed by Prudential Elliman at $1,200,000.
03/29/2007 Prudential Elliman Listing sold.
03/29/2007 Previous Sale recorded for $1,112,500.
02/01/2008 Previously Listed by Corcoran at $1,350,000.
06/16/2008 Delisted temporarily by Corcoran. Last priced at $1,375,000.
03/12/2009 Previously Listed by Brown Harris Stevens at $1,050,000.

The renovations were done by the 2007 seller.
06/04/2009 Brown Harris Stevens Listing is no longer available.
01/07/2010 Listed by Brown Harris Stevens at $1,250,000.
04/13/2010 Price decreased by 4% to $1,200,000.
04/15/2010 Price decreased by 1% to $1,185,000.
08/31/2010 Sale recorded for $1,100,000.

Gramercy Park 1/1, flat (OK, down 1%) vs. 2006 previous sale, with the sellers therefore having eaten the cost of a "stunning renovation" that is described extensively in the listing.

http://streeteasy.com/nyc/sale/520932-coop-201-east-21st-street-gramercy-park-new-york
03/17/2006 Previous Sale recorded for $627,500.
05/11/2010 Listed by Halstead Property at $629,000.
06/14/2010 Listing entered contract.
09/03/2010 Listing sold.
09/03/2010 Sale recorded for $622,000.
09/10/2010 Price decreased by 1% to $622,000.

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Unit 720 at 55 Wall...http://streeteasy.com/nyc/sale/525390-condo-55-wall-st-financial-district-new-york

Wow, this is one of the worst layouts I have EVER seen. Great for someone who spends a lot of time in the bathroom, though.

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whead, what an idiotic thing to say! Wanna contribute something of substance? Be my guest, but these kind of member bashing is of no value no us. Go get some air, make some friend and get laid but get out! Seriously! You need it!

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Sledge...Perfectly said.

OMG!! Welcome Back AR!!

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"What I object to is the posters that engage him and encourage him"

apt23 - I only halfway agree with you on this. Among the posters who have done the most troll engaging and encouraging, I only object to columbiacounty. I have no objection to w67.

Prime Chelsea Seminary block... Still vastly overpriced, imho (a tiny walk-up apartment attached to a lovely roofdeck), but best of luck to the sellers.

http://streeteasy.com/nyc/sale/564735-coop-434-west-20th-street-chelsea-new-york
STREETEASY HISTORY
03/13/2008
Previous Sale recorded for $860,000.
10/28/2010
Listed by Corcoran at $850,000.

I'm doing a sort of penance with this one. I savaged this building in an open house report a while back, and assumed that it would be the kind of building to take a severe beating in the downturn, but it held up remarkably well. I guess being the cheapest building in the West Village that isn't a crumbling walkup does the trick.

At 165 Christopher Street:

1BB. Yes, there was a reno, so it's likely a drop, but a surprisingly small one.

06/09/2006 Previously Listed by Warburg at $597,000.
02/15/2007 Warburg Listing sold. Last priced at $573,000.
02/15/2007 Previous Sale recorded for $557,500.
09/14/2009 Previously Listed by Citi-Habitats at $699,000.
01/21/2010 Listed by Corcoran at $675,000.
01/22/2010 Citi-Habitats Listing is no longer available. Last priced at $675,000.
03/18/2010 Listing entered contract.
05/20/2010 Listing sold.
05/20/2010 Sale recorded for $649,000.

2C. Flat since 06, though they lost on transaction costs.

10/09/2006 Previously Listed by Corcoran at $585,000.
01/03/2007 Corcoran Listing sold.
01/03/2007 Previous Sale recorded for $575,000.
02/24/2009 Previously Listed by Corcoran at $645,900.
07/20/2009 Delisted by Corcoran. Last priced at $615,000.
09/30/2009 Listed by Citi-Habitats at $600,000.
10/27/2009 Price decreased by 1% to $595,000.
02/05/2010 Listing entered contract.
03/02/2010 Listing sold.
03/02/2010 Sale recorded for $580,000.

Not so well for this studio, LQQ.

04/05/2005 Previous Sale recorded for $369,000.
11/16/2009 Listed by Prudential Elliman at $379,000.
02/02/2010 Price decreased by 8% to $349,000.
04/08/2010 Listing entered contract.
06/28/2010 Listing sold.
06/28/2010 Sale recorded for $327,000.

No resale or same-line comp for 2Y, and the sellers did have a long fall to reality, but in 2006/2007 a number of similarly laid-out 1brs all went below $600k (though some were ground floor and/or faced into the courtyard). This one has original bath and an old kitchen, but looks like it might have a good exposure.

04/11/2007 Previously Listed by Citi-Habitats at $899,000.
07/31/2007 Citi-Habitats Listing is no longer available.
02/16/2010 Listed by Bellmarc at $675,000.
03/01/2010 Price decreased by 4% to $649,000.
03/05/2010 Also Listed by Time Equities at $649,000.
04/24/2010 Time Equities Listing is no longer available. Last priced at $649,000.
04/30/2010 Listing sold.
06/30/2010 Sale recorded for $620,000.

3I, another small drop with reno factored in.

05/30/2006 Previous Sale recorded for $1,090,000.
08/16/2009 Listed by Corcoran at $1,195,000.
10/15/2009 Listing entered contract.
01/19/2010 Listing sold.
01/19/2010 Sale recorded for $1,155,000.

Again, the studios are having a harder time of it, though no idea how condition compares.

01/26/2010 #2O $270,000
05/12/2005 #3O $325,000

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Se posters are diligent. At 200am dwell and apt 23 are up and posting on two different comp threads one minute apart. Back to sleep.

What about the area that is not BCP and Not FiDi. West Side Highway to Broadway below WTC to bottom of West Street? I was thinking Greenwich South or SoBeca. In any event it's kind of it's own neighborhood.

"What about the area that is not BCP and Not FiDi. West Side Highway to Broadway below WTC to bottom of West Street?"

If the Gore camp is right you can call it Atlantis North in 40 years.

td- what's your point?

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330 Spring Street (Urban Glass House) #10A: Resold 32.9% below original sponsor sale. Way back on Page 2 of this thread, 22 months ago, Happyrenter reported the cuts on #11A and noted that "prices could go a hell of a lot lower". Sure enough...
10/17/2006 Previously Listed by Corcoran at $2,995,000.
01/30/2007 Corcoran Listing sold.
01/30/2007 Previous Sale recorded for $2,902,012.
09/29/2010 Listed by Corcoran at $2,125,000.
11/02/2010 Listing entered contract.
01/12/2011 Sale recorded for $1,947,500.
http://streeteasy.com/nyc/sale/558079-condo-330-spring-street-soho-new-york

There's little doubt the resale is an arm's-length transaction and a legitimate reflection of the clearing price. If there's a question, it would be about the original sale.

108 Wooster Street in Soho, unit 2D, a classic 80's conversion of a Soho loft building into a coop.
http://streeteasy.com/nyc/sale/538172-coop-108-wooster-street-soho-new-york

07/08/2010 Listed by Corcoran at $1,200,000.
11/29/2010 Listing entered contract.
01/03/2011 Listing sold.
02/08/2011 Sale recorded for $980,000

5E sold for $1.15M in July 2008
5B sold for $1.35M in July 2007

All about the same square footage approx. 1,150sf, but 5E has an odd layout with long hallways and seemed very dark in the pictures.

You have to factor in the massive escape from the impending Tower of Garbage to the price plunges at 330 Spring.

51 Walker Street #6B: Closed 5.4% below original sponsor sale.
01/03/2007 Previous Sale recorded for $2,061,956.
08/20/2010 Listed by Prudential Elliman at $2,150,000.
10/07/2010 Price decreased by 7% to $1,995,000.
11/17/2010 Listing entered contract.
01/13/2011 Sale recorded for $1,950,000.
http://streeteasy.com/nyc/sale/547690-condo-51-walker-street-tribeca-new-york

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141 East Third Street, #3A -- a prewar one-bedroom with a Pullman kitchen in a top East Village building.

And, point of interest, the very first apartment I ever sold.

I had sold it in October 2006 for $497,500; it just resold after 76 weeks on market (!) and multiple brokers. The last, triumphant broker was Miriam Sirota of BHS, who is pretty much the doyenne of the building.

The new owner had painted the unit a more neutral color than my seller's orange, and made it FIOS-ready, but otherwise it looks like there were no renovations.

Sold price in April 2012 was $485,000, so a five-and-a-half-year price drop of 2.6%.

ali r.
DG Neary Realty

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184 Thompson Street, #6H. 1br/1ba, a rental listing claims 700sf, although a listing for #5H, also a 1/1 and likely in the same line (although lowest floor H's are different), shows 639sf. But what's 10% sf inflation among friends?

I recognize that this one is out of date, but it got mentioned as a bank REO sale mentioned in a Times article about delinquent common charges (here: http://www.nytimes.com/2012/06/24/realestate/condo-boards-take-a-stand-on-delinquencies.html?pagewanted=all) so I thought I'd get it on the record on the thread. HSBC foreclosed and sold out down 35% from the 2007 sponsor sale.

02/02/2011 #6H $610,000 (sale by bank to new owner)
08/18/2010 #6H $800,000 (shange of title as a result of foreclosure)
06/29/2007 #6H $933,430 (original sponsor sale)
http://streeteasy.com/nyc/building/184-thompson-street-new_york

395 Broadway #14A - Bought in 2007 for $1.165M, listed in 2012 for $1.7M, sold in 2013 for $2M...

http://streeteasy.com/nyc/sale/756980-condo-395-broadway-tribeca-new-york

04/20/2007 Previous Sale recorded for $1,165,000.
10/25/2012 Listed by Town Residential at $1,675,000.
12/19/2012 Listing entered contract.
01/28/2013 Listing sold.
01/28/2013 Sale recorded for $2,016,000.

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Yes, yikes, it was a reno, but I'm pretty sure they didn't spend $1M on the place.

Here's another gut reno - London Terrace Penthouse... Not a bad profit. http://streeteasy.com/nyc/sale/679896-coop-470-west-24th-street-west-chelsea-new-york

05/04/2009 Sale recorded for $4,400,000
04/27/2012 Later Listed by Brown Harris Stevens at $11,800,000.
12/28/2012 Brown Harris Stevens Listing sold. Last priced at $10,850,000
12/28/2012 Sale recorded for $9,650,000

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That London Terrace sale at nearly $10 million is a killer--that's $4,000 a foot. Strange what apartments have, and have not, appreciated much since the crash.

For instance:
http://streeteasy.com/nyc/sale/867433-coop-32-wash-sq-we-manhattan-new-york

14E is asking $3,750,000

12/02/2009 #10E $3,425,000
10/16/2009 #5E $3,450,000
09/15/2008 #6E $3,300,000
07/08/2008 #15E $3,500,000


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