Enough of Overrated...
Any neighborhood underrated ?

Looking for classic pre-war NYC...

Manhattan Valley.

Bedford Park, Bronx

Jackson Heights, Queens

The western front of Manhattan Valley *west of Broadway* among the most charming neighborhoods in Manhattan.

PMG, that's simply not Manhattan Valley.

alanhart, Take that up with the NYTimes

Forest Hills Gardens, Queens

Upper East Side.

Its one of the cheapest neighborhoods south of 96th street, and on an amenity by amenity basis, its near the top.

I had to google "manhattan valley"...
never heard of it..
ay ay ay ...too much to learn

the only classic prewar on the UES is prime and expensive--and I don't think the prime UES is underrated. If you want prewar that isn't priced sky-high, you have to look elsewhere, which is why I recommend Riverside Dr in Manhattan Valley or, more expensive in the 80s and 90s. Here you can get classic prewar, that few people consider prime manhattan, so there are values.

Parkchester

dc

if you don't mind small apartments and land leases, you can't get more charming than Tudor City which boarders between Turtle Bay and Murray Hill on the far east side. These buildings are absolutely stunning and there is a private park. However, unlike a public park, it comes bearing a cost to the landowner, not the Parks Department or special purpose private charity.

another vote for Forest Hills Gardens and Jackson Heights.

ali r.
{downtown broker}

pmg is this a joke? who doesn't consider riverside drive in the 80s prime manhattan?

happyrenter, believe it or not, there are plenty of people that won't consider living north of W79th St

pmg, there are plenty of people who won't consider living north of 14th. that doesn't mean they don't consider 73rd and 5th avenue prime manhattan. you are talking about taste.

Ironbound, Newark

"if you don't mind small apartments and land leases, you can't get more charming than Tudor City which boarders between Turtle Bay and Murray Hill on the far east side."

I think TC is awful. Location sucks ass, its really just out of the way despite what it is "close" to. The entrance streets (and that should tell you something, you can't access it from all sides) is by far the worst stretch of 2nd ave there is. You're also just above the tunnel entrances.

Apartments are tiny. And the buildings are not that well kept, and they're quite dated....

There is a reason its cheap there. Its not underrated, its perfectly rated. This is not a neighborhood that just hasn't been "discovered" yet.

my first recommendation was west of broadway 96 to 116--western front of the NYTimes dubbed "manhattan valley" and the lower corner of "morningside heights". This area is prewar, charming and under-rated because it is north of 96th St. The reality is that Columbia University is such a powerful landlord, that this area is completely different from south harlem or east harlem. It feels just like the upper west side, and streeteasy labels it as such.

Riverside Drive, from 105 to 114, obviously!

If you want classic prewar... Fort Green or Caroll Gardens. You get a LOT more for your money because its not technically Manhattan... but better in many ways (than the fringe Manhattan neighborhoods being discussed).

Murray Hill on Lexington or Park. Close to Grand Central, Penn Station, NYPL, all 34th St. subways. Gorgeous pre-war buildings or pretty townhouses on lovely streets. Love living there.

Rose Hill
anybody know where this is besides me?

Kensington or Windsor Terrace

Manhattan Valley, by far.

Falcogold: the bronx? Doesn't Fordham have a campus there?

Bloomingdale-- which I believe is the correct designation for the area west of Broadway between 97th Street and 110th Street.

It's not Manhattan Valley.

Another vote for Bloomingdale or Manhattan Valley.....whatever you call it.

That neighborhood around the UN, towards Grand Central is so pretty!

I think that Tudor City is SPECTACULAR though I just now heard that it's landlease.

Rose Hill - I just heard it mentioned the other day re: Turtle Bay but when I googled it, I got a park in the Bronx or something. Where is it? Sounds lovely; at least it was once apparently.

Rose Hill is what they were trying to insert as the name for the "grey area on the taxi map", south of murray hill (which ends at 34th despite what a broker may tell you); north of gramercy and west of kips bay (technically doesn't go west of 2nd ave). I lived there for 25 years and never called it "Rose Hill"..."Hooker Heaven" maybe, but that's no longer accurate. And I did think it was severely underrated until the invasion of the 20somethings impacted the quality of adult life there.

Underated now, I'd say South Riverdale. Gorgeous views, very conveient and really cheap apartments. If you don't care about being "where its at" and don't mind riding Metro North for 20 minutes the value is amazing.

Upper East Side. Most of this city hates it, and its got more going for it than most of the city.

Astoria rentals are inexpensive for being so close to midtown and safe, Jackson Heights also. Apartments for sale in Tudor City are also under priced IMO, just saw a listing for a studio for 199k.

Trouble with the UES is the #6 train.

Then take the 45. Or, closest to the prime pre-war 60s is the F. And NR at 60th. Or wait a decade for the 2 more coming.

Doesn't get much more "classic pre-war" than the Upper East Side...

(or walk)

battery park city

pre-war doesn't mean the, uh, gulf war.

Woodside, Queens and all of the Bronx

"all of the Bronx"

Now you're just getting silly.

Pre-war West Chelsea townhouse: west of 8th AV, east of 10th.

Tribeca and W. Village are the best neighborhoods.

Wonderboy can you read? The topic of this thread is underrated neighborhoods.

carnegie Hill, I think is currently underrated. Nice stock of prewar buildings

"Wonderboy can you read? The topic of this thread is underrated neighborhoods."

Fine idiot,

W. Village and Tribeca are the most underrated neighborhoods.

east 50's, particularly east of 3rd ave....lots of dining, shoping, varied housing options, close to transportation

Northern Westchester. Easy commute, great food and culture, amazing nature, and gorgeous old houses at good prices.

For classic pre war at a reasonable price I have often touted Washington Heights around the RSD/157th area because of access to subways and the beautiful buildings. The neighborhood does need more services,though. The new Whole Foods near the 100s is more promising and we no longer have to go all the way downtown for great restaurants. There are many in the lower 100's. Def. not the West Village but a great value equation when you consider the beautiful, pre-war, large space you get and the subway lines.

If you're more into Brooklyn, we also looked in Cobble Hill and loved someo f the spaces.

agree with upper upper west west. rsd, claremont avenue. riverdale in the bronx, douglaston in queens... i like places with a little romance about them.

Sunnyside and Jackson Heights, Queens. I would live there if I could get to work.

UES?
yuck, actually it would be pretty cool if it weren't for all of the people that lived there. Have you seen THEM!

is is considered manhattan valley...is 102 and cpw manhattan valley?

Greenwich Village. It's even better than people say.

GV is my number one favorite place in NYC.

"UES?
yuck, actually it would be pretty cool if it weren't for all of the people that lived there. Have you seen THEM!"

You're hanging out a lot on the UES these days?

p09 - funny. not even sure what you mean by that but i'm pretty certain there are days where i would be mistaken for a homeless woman with child on the UES. had a playdate with UES mommy recently...yeah, there's a difference...

I often, way too often, leave the city via e96th and the FDR.

UWS moms think I'm dressed up all the time (I'm not, I just don't wear exercise clothing outside the gym).

funny. this pregnancy, all i ever want to wear are my sneakers (but we walk a lot) and then the yoga pants follow. i'm always amazed (pregnant or not) by women who wear "fancy" shoes to walk 30, 40 + blocks.

"Greenwich Village. It's even better than people say. "
"GV is my number one favorite place in NYC."

I wish it didn't suck so much as compared to what it used to be.

I agree.

Too many skinny-assed white women pushing strollers around.

funny

Ah, once a certain age is attained, I find it common that one begins to think everything good used to be better. Gotta live in the moment.

> I wish it didn't suck so much as compared to what it used to be.

Yes, if there's one thing we can be sure of, its stereotypes based on one person you met.
I find the UWS moms the second most annoying group in the city, after the Park Slope moms. To me, hell looks something like the upper west.

sorry, wrong quote got posted up top... that was in response to..

"had a playdate with UES mommy recently...yeah, there's a difference..."

in terms of this on GV...
> I wish it didn't suck so much as compared to what it used to be.

You aren't talking west village? gv is bleecker and thompson and macdougal. NYU hell, crappy small apartments. Dirty, crappy, giant NYU dorms.

W village i would agree used to be a magical place... when it hit that sweet spot of post-bohemian but not completely disinfected. But its lost a lot. The biggest thing is all the young banking analysts who moved in and who don't cook, so a bunch of the cool food stores closed. it used to be the best area in town for gourmet cooks. Now, its filled with tourists instead.

IME, all moms of young children are annoying to others. Can't be helped.

Many, but not all. But it goes up another level in PS and the UWS.

"Ah, once a certain age is attained, I find it common that one begins to think everything good used to be better. Gotta live in the moment."

Because its actually true. Things peak. And then you have the heisenberg uncertainty principle.... the recognition that something is good often causes it to not be. Think of pizza places.... making 3x as many pies at Lombardi's in the same ovens to serve the 3x the size location to fit the tourists.... they don't let the dough rise. They don't take the time to cook 'em enough. I had to return a slice at Joe's once because it was pretty much raw and the guy basically said "I'm just gonna give you your money back because they're all like that".

Places DO get worse.

And, I'll add in... places that were NEVER good get called great later... for the wrong reasons. Like folks who say Gray's Payapa is the best. THey're idiots. It got famous for being CHEAP and UBIQUITOUS. Its just a ripoff of Papaya King (MUCH better, has actual natural casings hot dogs). People are just too happy to jump with the crowds.

On the flip, while things get worse, NEW THINGS COME.
Thats how it works. Things peak, and then new things come, and they peak.

Yes, pizza in manhattan has gone downhill at the old places. But some of the new places are fantastic. Corner Bistro might have lost a notch... but, you know, shake shack is as good as anything I can ever remember (better, actually... I like thinner, non-burned burgers with more toppings).

Frankie's 457 blows away many years of my memories. And its as good as I remember when I first went years back.

This is NYC. Its about change. Some things die. And they deserve funerals. I don't want to eat them.

somewhereelse - i didn't realize i was interacting with an UES anomaly. thank you for setting me straight.

and yes, all moms of small kids are annoying, even to other moms...

I think Park Slope gets far too much of a bad rap for the mommy thing. It's still one of the most beautiful residential neighborhoods in the whole city, has quite a few decent bars and restaurants, and attracts enough artsy types and groovy singles to keep life interesting. Plus, it's got my dream combination: a huge park AND one of the best farmer's markets in the city -- adjacent to one another.

Wait a minute, have there really been 72 comments without a single nasty comment from columbiacounty or aboutready? Isn't at least one of the 72 prior comments a lie according to columbiacounty? Doesn't at least one of the prior 72 indicate that someone is a "fucktard"?

At least tell me someone had a problem with a toilet like the aboutready family.

"I think Park Slope gets far too much of a bad rap for the mommy thing."

I think its well-deserved.

"It's still one of the most beautiful residential neighborhoods in the whole city"
Not sure how that undermines the point.

"has quite a few decent bars and restaurants"
Quite a few decent is great for boston, not NYC. Towns in New Jersey have the same.

"and attracts enough artsy types and groovy singles to keep life interesting."

I generally find that anyone saying "artsy types" or "groovy" wouldn't know either if they got punched by them. They talk about "artsy types" in cleveland.

But, back to the original point... its turned into one of the least interesting sections of yuppie ring of the city. Except for people who find strollers interesting.

Yes, great that its good for kids and this and that... but so is Long Island. Some of us prefer actual city living.

Park Slope Rocks! Move there in a heartbeat if I could get my wife out of the UES.

Greenpoint is pretty awesome. Though I am biased since I lived there, you have almost anything you can ask for in an neighborhood there besides a movie theater. There is even a YMCA there that is friendly.

I really don't think anything in Manhattan is underrated. I am a big fan of Sunnyside. Lots of good, inexpensive restaurants (Turkish, Korean, Italian, Thai, etc.). Short commute to Midtown. I lived there for a while and miss it a lot.

> I could get my wife out of the UES.

This seems to happen a lot. A lot of neighborhoods, particularly those in yuppie Brooklyn, get way OVERRATED by folks who visit but don't live there.

DUMBO is a prime example. Of the folks who have told me they "love" it, 90% are folks who have a friend or visited a bunch of times, but don't live there. The other 10% have kids, and don't actually do anything in DUMBO... but have a range rover to drive to other suburban spots.

In my experience, most of the Brooklyn boosters live there.

Somewhereelse, is there a neighborhood in NYC you actually like?

> In my experience, most of the Brooklyn boosters live there.

Yes, its called rationalizing your purchase and/or trying to help values. You need to be more aware of slant.

> Somewhereelse, is there a neighborhood in NYC you actually like?

Yes, many, and I've noted this many, many times (hell, on this thread). Try reading. And several of my picks are in Brooklyn.

Trying to infer that I don't like anything as the only reason I'll point out flaws somewhere is just ignorance.

"Yes, its called rationalizing your purchase and/or trying to help values. You need to be more aware of slant."

That's a seriously perverse way of thinking, somewhereelse. It's never dawned on you that many people live in a neighborhood because they actually like it?