Obama Biden kind of looks like Osama Bin Laden

totallyanonymous: about 15 months ago

"Maybe we should leave family planning expertise to the Europeans, and the US can continue to handle people like Hitler."

Yes, places like Iceland which have the highest per capita incidence of unwed motherhood in the "industrialized world" put us to shame. If you have ever lived or spent any amount of time in various parts of Europe, which doubtless you have, you surely must have seen that the myth of the sophisticated worldly European is just that. A myth. To be sure, food and wine are enjoyable in many parts and the people are often bilingual, but then that because they have to be. I'd add that there's a large populace of bilingual persons in the US as well and the US is roughly 3 times the size of Europe and most of the folks on the East Coast have never ventured beyond the Pennsylvania Turnpike other than flying over it.

But its great to think that you would rather adopt European values of social behavior while allowing their political depravity to be mopped up on the backs of the American worker. A solid platform no doubt. 500,000 men and boys who never made it home from WW II applaud you.

petrfitz: about 15 months ago

I think that we should listen to John McCain and "Bomb, bomb, bomb, bomb Iran"

Starting another War in the middle east is exactly what we need to do to help our standing in the world, and kick start our economy. Besides what else would all those 18 year old American boys do if they are not shipped off to fight a War in Iran? Probably waste time at a local community college or University.

Also I believe Sarah Palin when she says that the War in Iraq is God's Will and also that the oil pipeline through Canada is also God's Doing. God bless our Wars and Oil production.

therealist: about 15 months ago

Before George W. Bush was elected (the first time) I told my GWB zealot friend that I feared his election since I knew he would start a war. My friend dismissed my concerns and later asked me 'how did I know?'(My friend has since turned into a rabid George Bush opponent after his extensive portfolio was significantly reduced behind the Bush administration.)
I now know that if John McCain is elected we ain't seen nothing yet. He will be far worse than George Bush. At least GWB just wanted to avenge his father and show what a great kid he is (actually his father was much smarter and a much better president-thought I'd never say that); John McCain, on the other hand, is still fighting a war from years ago. His first response to any challenge is to fight. Very scary. And guess what? Ultimately we cannot win at that game. Between the Middle East,China and the deterioration of our own army, we will definitely be on the losing end. Anyone who tells you differently is lying to you! Can we really afford this? Only the future of our country is at stake. John McCain/Palin (with a very narrow viewpoint) is our ticket to destruction.

Sizzlack: about 15 months ago

it is something I take into account...I dont just dismiss something like that. However I do not find it more troubling than a Jeremiah Wright for instance.
In my view both candidates are flawed...and I will be voting more against one than I am voting for the other.

petrfitz: about 15 months ago

Sizzlack are you also upset with McCains association with Keating?

girlygirl77: about 15 months ago

check out sarah's church on youtube. . .they may have different target groups, but similar type of sermons. . ..they even went offline b/c too many hits with the videos. it is now on youtube b/c people ripped them before they disappeared. But she isn't maybe as into science so she goes along with most of it (like creationism should be taught in schools etc.).

Ok this is a real time sink. The point is - we have come to different conclusions. It is not worth the two of us discussing this further.

Sizzlack: about 15 months ago

committed crimes in a different era? Does that excuse one from said crimes? Charles Manson committed crimes in a different era...hes still a crazy f**k. I'm not trying to link Obama to the Weather Underground...merely that it says a lot about his judgement. I personally don't want to be friends with people who planted bombs anywhere. And those actions might not have affected anyone yet, but if he becomes President...well I don't want items on Trinity Church's agenda to all of a sudden make the national agenda. We have exactly the same views...just of two different people.

girlygirl77: about 15 months ago

Those actions didn't affect anyone - again Ayers committed crimes in a different era (and how old was Obama then). . .again associations. .. but if you want to continue that - your lady's husband was in the AIP (loook up what that stands for). That's her bedmate (literally). Over and out. this is getting old.

Sizzlack: about 15 months ago

heres an action taken...sitting in Jeremiah Wright's "church" for 20 years.
heres another action taken...launching your political career from William Ayers home

but I agree it is most futile...I was just trying to make the point that anyone can smear anyone else and there is little that can be done

girlygirl77: about 15 months ago

not really - i'm talking about direct actions versus associations with people who are not even his contemporaries. . .book burning (see info about the librarian she tried to fire and the community press reports), environmental (i think there is some legislation which doesnt designate polar bears to be endangered, drilling in ANWR), anti-abstinence (we have discussed), anti-choice (we have discussed). With Obama, you are talking about some associations that have been made versus actions taken. Ohh he's brown, so load up all the images - fear. . .that's what your comments are.

Anyway honestly - like the bridge to nowhere - we dont agree so this is a futile discussion. . .next.

Sizzlack: about 15 months ago

oh and I forgot to add that he likes to make shady real estate deals with convicted felons....oops!

Sizzlack: about 15 months ago

I can make the same ridiculous statements about Obama....watch...

Hes an inexperienced domestic terrorist loving semi marxist black nationalist follower who will do nothing but turn this country into the second coming of Communist Russia.

how was that one?

girlygirl77: about 15 months ago

I work with someone and she has a friend who heads the Sierra Club in Alaska - she met Sarah Palin at some event. Since the woman was from the Sierra Club, she said Sarah Palin would not (refused) to even shake her hand. She's a zealot.

girlygirl77: about 15 months ago

She's a book burning, abstinence-only loving, moose-hunting, anti-science, non-environmental loving freak. That is scary to me. She got her passport in 2007 and Alaska living is nothing like the rest of the contiguous 48 (it's all a new world) and that's on top of the stuff in my first sentence. As long as she is on the ballot, she could be in office and given McCain's age (yes his father died at 70 i believe even if his mom is alive) and his previous cancers - that is a bad combo.

Sizzlack: about 15 months ago

and "my quote" had absolutely nothing to do with Palin. You somehow made a linkage between Biden's quote and her. That's ok. I know she is one scary individual. Right?

girlygirl77: about 15 months ago

I think what is scary is Sarah Palin and if she is on the ticket there is a chance she could be in office. My fright is not that she is better than anyone else, but that anyone running could be in office. Many other picks may have actually had a better chance of winning for McCain but would not have scared me. It is the religious zealot factor - can't get over it.

Sizzlack: about 15 months ago

PetroFitz...my quote? It was Joe Biden who said it. Take it as you may. If the Palin pick was as desperate a move as you suggest, then you should be a happy clam who just sits back and watches the entire RNC come crashing down. However that wont happen and I think you are probably a bit scared...which is why you post all this alarmist bs.

uptowngal: about 15 months ago

totallyanonymous, from the Nat'l Family Planning and Reproductive Health Association -

"The United States has one of the highest rates of unintended pregnancy among Western nations. Each year, half of the more than 6 million pregnancies in this country are unintended, and nearly half of those end in abortion. Publicly supported family planning services, such as those provided by Title X, help to prevent 1.3 million unplanned pregnancies each year, which would result in 632,300 abortions"

And the CDC has a number of studies on teen pregnancy rates that demonstrate that effective use of birth control prevents unwanted teen pregnancies. http://www.cdc.gov/reproductivehealth/index.htm

Maybe we should leave family planning expertise to the Europeans, and the US can continue to handle people like Hitler.

petrfitz: about 15 months ago

Sizzlack - what the hell is your quote supposed to mean?

The Palin pick was a desparate move that puts the national security of our country in jeopardy. We cannot afford an inexperienced unvetted creationist book burner a 72 year old 4 time cancer survivor heart beat away from the Oval Office.

Sizzlack: about 15 months ago

http://hotlineblog.nationaljournal.com/archives/2008/09/biden_on_mccain.html

"WEST PALM BEACH, FL - As the Republican National Convention finally got underway, John McCain got some unexpected praise from a colleague nearly 2,000 miles from St. Paul.

"He is my good friend," Joe Biden told a large crowd here tonight. "I get in trouble for saying this with some real strong Obama supporters. ... [But] if John McCain picked up the phone today and said, 'Joe, I need you to get in a plane and fly out to Missoula, I can't tell you why,' I'd get in a plane and I'd go."

Later, when asked about an effort by Republicans to portray their ticket as one of ethics and reform, Biden called McCain "a thoroughly ethical guy.""

West81st: about 15 months ago

The most qualified, experienced President of our time was George Herbert Walker Bush. Rightly or wrongly, voters repudiated him after a single term. Lyndon Johnson was eminently qualified too. He was so unpopular by 1968 that he didn't even run for re-election. Predicting presidential performance from resume, temperament, shoe size or anything else is almost impossible.

It's funny to see Obama derided by Republicans as insufficiently battle-tested. He beat the Clintons, which is more than they could ever do. [If you polled rank-and-file Republicans a year ago about who scared them most among Hillary, Putin or Ahmadinejad, I think Clinton might have won.] As for Palin, who knows? The choice is classic McCain: a little reckless, but undeniably fun.

totallyanonymous: about 15 months ago

"Europeans laugh at the fact that we even have to debate this."

Yes, the Danes are as i write this laughing at us, as are the mighty Albanians. Much in the same way they laughed at Hitler in 1934 I suppose. Perhaps we should withdraw our funding of the UN and the IMF and allow the sophisticated Europeans to handle these types of matters.

totallyanonymous: about 15 months ago

"A heart beat a way from the Presidency:"

You mean Obama right? I forget, his vast experience writing speeches overwhelms me. Do you read anything besides Politico and NYT/MSNBC? http://news.yahoo.com/s/politico/20080903/pl_politico/13096

Also McCain's 96 year old Mother would disagree with you and Olbermann.

"you're right, areas that provide teaching abstinance' in lieu of sex ed have higher rates of teen pregnancy and STD's than those that offer comprehensive programs that teach kids the facts."

Kindly cite your source for this one. And for your spelling of abstinence.

uptowngal: about 15 months ago

girlygirl77, you're right, areas that provide teaching abstinance' in lieu of sex ed have higher rates of teen pregnancy and STD's than those that offer comprehensive programs that teach kids the facts.

In a perfect world parents would be teaching their own kids this stuff but unfortunately many don't. I remember in high school how much gross misinformation even the most studious kids believed.

And the US has the hightst teen pregnancy rate of all industrialized countries. Europeans laugh at the fact that we even have to debate this.

petrfitz: about 15 months ago

A heart beat a way from the Presidency:

"look at the actuarial tables insurance companies use to evaluate customers shows that it’s not an irrelevant one. According to these statistics, there is a roughly 1 in 3 chance that a 72-year-old man will not reach the age of 80, which is how old McCain would be at the end of a second presidential term. And that doesn’t factor in individual medical history, such as McCain’s battles with potentially lethal skin cancer.

“For a man, that’s above the expected lifetime at the present,” said Michael Powers, a professor of risk management and insurance at Temple University’s Fox School of Business.

The odds of a 72-year-old man living four more years, or one full White House term, are better. But for a man who has lived 72 years and 67 days (McCain’s age on Election Day this year), there is between a 14.2 and 15.1 percent chance of dying before Inauguration Day 2013, according to the Social Security Administration’s 2004 actuarial tables and the authoritative 2001 mortality statistics assembled by the National Association of Insurance Commissioners."

Should that happen then Sarah would be in charge of the Free World, winning 2 wars (maybe a 3rd soon with Iran), saving the troubled American Economy, fighting Global Warming and freeing America from its dependence on foreign oil and foreign debt.

girlygirl77: about 15 months ago

Yes i saw that the AIP story was rescinded though you can be a member of the Republican party and it as well. Her husband was certainly a member. . .I guess we shouldn't talk about associations in the case of Sarah (just for Obama). . ..anyway - I will stick with my last statement again - back to work. I can't continue this conversation - like the bridge to nowhere. . . .it leads. . ..

girlygirl77: about 15 months ago

POW experience is wonderful - that's often a reason i see touted by supporters. I am just not in agreement that it makes for a better president. Hopefully it hasn't had repercussions physically on temperment etc. That's what you hold in high regard - great! Some people are worried about his risk-taking nature (what got him his maverick brand) which may have evidenced himself here and may create worry for people as to how he will govern/make decisions.

Btw - you started about the education - so please don't berate me now. I've got a lot of work to get back to now.

totallyanonymous: about 15 months ago

I'll vote for a guy who withstood NVA torture for 6 1/2 years over a guy who wrote a law review article about eminent domain any day of the week, whether or not he got a C in college level Civics.

My point is that this purported lack of experience issue doesn't see, to apply to the Dems Presidential candidate for some illogical and sinister reason.

totallyanonymous: about 15 months ago

"Members of 'Fringe' Alaskan Independence Party Say Palin Was a Member in 90s"

Oh did you see the NYT retraction of this unsourced bogus story? Probably not, but they retracted it, reliable journalists that they are.

girlygirl77: about 15 months ago

I didn't care which school necessarily for McCain - but saying he finished near the bottom. I am just saying that wasn't the best route for you to go if you are trying to support him.

Btw - i wasn't applying that litmus test for them - you brought it up!

Your example about teen pregnancies being up - i would guess your point may not be telling as teen pregnancies are probably up at places with abstinence policies and those which don't have them. In a house which was well aware of abstinence (Palin), clearly it didnt work. That is Uptown gal's point.

totallyanonymous: about 15 months ago

McCain went to Annapolis.

Re: teen pregnancy. Abstinence policies have been all but eradicated from public schools yet teen pregnancy is way up over the last decades. So you tell me which policy works.

As it relates to "academic accomplishment", if thats a litmus test you want to apply to Presidential candidates, I remind that Reagan went to Eureka College. GW, a guy you folks probably hate, went to Yale/Harvard Business, Carter went to Annapolis, LBJ went to some school that no longer exists I think, and Nixon went to Whittier College.

By the way, Obama grew up in Hawaii and Biden is the Senator from the massively important state of delaware. again, delaware. Oh, and Clinton governed that hugely populous and cultural mecca that is arkansas. again, arkansas.

girlygirl77: about 15 months ago

You want to argue about raw intelligence (as far presidential intelligence) - well that's tricky i have to say. I'm pretty sure we know where McCain finished at West Point. . .thought honestly I haven't seen that idea used by McCain supporters - i.e. raw intelligence and comparing the tickets that way. . .um ok.

Anyway - I think what has been set up now is a culture war of sorts. That's what is playing out now with the pick of Sarah Palin.

julia: about 15 months ago

The problem with Joe Biden is he said many times that Obama is not qualified to be President...

totallyanonymous: about 15 months ago

I also forget. The sexual organs of children of the "religious right" apparently are not supposed to be funtional. Must have missed that one in biology.

Go on and vote for a guy who admitted to smoking dope and doing blow and has zero experience to be President. I'd love him to make his and his wife's grades at Occidental and LSAT score public so we can see how he and his wife got into Columbia/Harvard/Princeton. I know why she got into Princeton. Her brother was on the basketball team.

totallyanonymous: about 15 months ago

"Obama chose Biden. Regardless of whther you like the guy's politics, he's a 30+ year vetern of Washington, and whether he's liked by everyone, he certainly is a respected quantity."

Ummmm, so is McCain. The difference is he's running for, now stay with me here, PRESIDENT. I heard nary a peep out of people as it relates to Obama's status as utterly devoid of applicable governing experience. Wiat, I forget, he was Editor of the Harvard Law Review. My mouth is now agape.

Lets face it, liberals are certainly not unable to display their sexism and/or racism, provided it suits their purposes.

I remind that the guy all of you voted for for Veep back in 2000 is backing McCain, not Obama. Oh, and your current veep nominee said it would be "dangerous" to have Obama as President. Of course you seem to be blind to their advisements.

petrfitz: about 15 months ago

McCain is not only old enough to be her father, he is actually older than the State of Alaska.

Palin is absolutely prepared to become Commander in Chief. I can see her using her experience as mayor of a town of 5700 to stand up to Putin and Iran.

Sizzlack: about 15 months ago

uptowngal...your buchanan info is wrong. She supported Steve Forbes in 2000. http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20080902/ap_on_el_pr/cvn_palin_politics

petrfitz: about 15 months ago

I think that Palin is the most qualified Republican for office and her selection is a testament to the judgement of McCain and how much he will or will not allow politics effect the decisions he will make on the security of our nation.

uptowngal: about 15 months ago

I'm actually not surprised; they're not going to support Obama, and how the Palins are addressing the matter agrees with their views on right-to-life.

What I find strange is that they are against policies that would have effectively PREVENTED this from happening.

I also understand that Palin supported Buchannan, but that's beside the point.

Sizzlack: about 15 months ago

Check this out...taking bids on whether or not she will withdraw as the nom

http://www.intrade.com/#