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Short-term leasing & mandatory guest registration


What are some approaches that condos are taking to go after illegal short-term rentals (airbnb, etc.)? or at the very least, to regulate short-term rentals?

By-Laws provide for leases with a minimum of 30 days, although the management company has been enforcing a 6 month minimum and the Board acts as if the minimum is one year when approving Waivers of RoFR.

On a side note, is a Condo in NYC lawfully allowed to demand that residents register their overnight guests, in the name of going after those renting in airbnb, as well as "increased security" in the building?

In my opinion, it poses privacy issues for a resident having to do this, specially if she or he is not even involved with short term leasing. It also raises the question of how much say the homeowner has over their property.

I have heard of co-ops that ask that visitors staying for longer than a week register, but for overnight is kind of ridiculous.


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The great majority of people are not registered when visiting, they are just let in by the front desk.

Now, are they going to ask the person "are you spending the night?" to decide whether to register them?

are they going to stop an owner walking in with someone who they refuse to register?
Is the building entitled to Access Control to the owner's apt. when said owner comes home with someone?

The way I put it is, is it a presumably expensive apt. or am I suddenly back at a college dorm being tightly controlled to prevent people from bringing overnight guests?

All in the name of going after airBnB, no less.

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There is no disputing of there being access control when a guest arrives by themselves, for example to pick up keys and enter to stay.

I'm talking about the situation where the tenant or owner arrives with the guest, etc. Or the guest gets called up by the tenant.

I think that it is easy for an employee to confuse all of the above circumstances, specially when the Board plainly speaks about overnight guest registration.

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I lived in a rental building with a guest log and must say it was really annoying. It appeared to be a tool to harass the rent controlled ones, but they used it with everyone.

I don't understand what keeping a log would accomplish. And the notion of needing to register overnight guests is offensive and a gross invasion on someone's privacy rights.

And i though coops were invasive....

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If you don't like the rules, don't live there....
This is a free country after all.

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How does that root out anything? I often let people stay at my place if I am gone away. My friends need someone to babysit their cat. What do you do with a list of names? If people are doing AIrbnb, would the rational thing not be to go on Airbnb and take screen shots?

BTW - didn't NYC make short-term rentals like this illegal a year ago or something?

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The first time I ever experienced guest sign-in at a building's concierge desk was in Battery Park City, in one of the first buildings shortly after it opened. It was populated largely by Californians who were terrified of New York, had a cloister mentality, and loved to say that their neighborhood is "like not living in New York City". Telling.

I felt like a janitor signing in.

I would never live in a building that did that to its residents' guests. Baby with the bathwater. To the extent short-term rentals are a problem, deal with the specific apartment that's causing the problem.

Whether a catch-all approach is done out of laziness, or for the sense of total control by control freaks, or because of a continued cloister mentality (in a hyper-low-crime environment, usually) I don't know. But it's undignified in the extreme.

And FYI, I've never sublet my apartment out, long-term, middle-term or short-term.

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Even if the building didn't notice it immediately, it is evidence that can be used at the eventual case.

Even more interesting is if the guest log has a check box for "paid short term guest" next to entries. Air BNB users are generally not trying to be slick. They paid for their room. They will honestly check it off.

A stupid list proves nothing in itself and as Alan says is a lazy catchall, that actually catches nothing. Buildings that go after people have used PIs and more obviously the advertised units.

What about the scenario where people do the house swap thing?

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If there is ever a book "StreetEasy Dialogues", you guys will be the main characters. And Alan of course.

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