One57аt 157 West 57th Street
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Now that the contentious UWS public school rezoning process has concluded, any opinions on which schools are desirable in terms of academics, overcrowding, facilities?
ganda, what do you mean by the admission process? Is this for private schools? For public school, you just need to have proof of address at registration time in March. It would be wise to wait till the school zones are finalized.
Yes waiting until next month to hear the UWS decision is definitely a good idea!
Assuming we want our child to attend K in year 2018, what date do we practically have to move into the right zone by? I believe the admissions process is around Dec/Jan and the pre-registration process is around March /April. Do we have to move before the admission process or the pre-registration process? With all the uncertainties in school admissions, renting certainly looks like a better option than buying.
good points dan and ganda.
I think there is DOE drama for all school zones in District 3 under at least 1 of the proposals on the table. If school zone is your #1 priority in your housing search, you should either (i) find a place that is not affected (or negatively affected by your standards) by any of the proposals that are on the table, or (ii) wait until this all shakes out next month.
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I have friends who went to St. Francis Prep and said good things about it.
Blessed Sacrament on the UWS is wonderful. great teachers, great academics, responsive principal, great parents association, involved and supportive parents, good funding, nice building...
What is the LEAST progressive and MOST traditional Catholic HS in NYC? All girls or co-ed - okay.
we looked at ps158 for our son a couple of years ago and were very impressed with the school. unfortunately were were a block too far south. but fortunately we got lucky and he was placed into a G&T school.
Curious if people's thoughts on this topic have changed. PS 6 is obviously always going to be the best, but I have heard lots of raves about PS 158. So those would be my 1 and 2; I think 290 is fine, but 158 seems to be a bit better & will probably continue to improve since they are fixing up the building in a multi-year project.
I recommend PS6 - the extra funding from the Parents' Association goes a long way in helping to hire teaching assistants for each grade to help keep the student:faculty ratio down. As far as I know, no one who was zoned for the school was turned down last year. Rooftop facilities are also a plus and were quite surprising for a public school. Good amount of feedback/progress reports on our son so far, more so that what we used to receive from a parochial school downtown.
ps 6 and 290. flip a coin, although i understand 290 is more prone to waitlists. 158 and 183 also good.
Assuming you could move to be in the zone, what would you pick and why?
Even the machines in my building's laundry room have that mildewy smell if the doors have been left closed.
this thread title is hilarious !! for those who have the luxury to choose, go vented!
The mildew-like smell is actually quite common for front-loading washers. Before I moved to my current apartment, I lived in a home that had enough space for a full-sized washer/dryer. I had this same problem with my roommates front loading washer. After a load, I would shut the door. But, it would still be damp inside the washer, so it wuold start to smell after awhile. The trick was to either wipe it down before shutting the door, or just leave the door open for awhile. That last option was more convenient for me.
Now that I moved to a new place, I had to buy my own unit. I did a bunch of research to find one that works, and ended up getting one from here -- http://www.compactappliance.com/washer-dryer-combo/ -- specifically, the Edgestar Ventless Washer Dryer Combo. It works well for what I need and the little space I had. (Stacking units wasn't an option for me). I couldn't afford the LG model that I wanted, but found a good sale on this site. I have no complaints about it thus far. I've had it for about a month now and it works well. Besides for the slightly longer drying time that I haven't experienced with my previous dryer. either way, I'm not at all a fan of the washer dryer combos. I'd rather give up sqfootage in my apt. to have a standalone washer and standalone dryer.
Hop[e this "review" helps somebody out there.
100% agree with generalogoun
Thank you for the input, much appreciated.
All of District 3 which is the westside from 59th St to 112nd might be changing from traditional school zones to something called controlled choice. The Westside Rag frequently has articles about it. Here's the latest
Can anyone comment on the quality of the general education program at PS 166? Would you recommend it? I am considering moving to that zone and my son will be starting Kindergarten in the fall of 2017. Thanks!
Can anyone offer insights and recent experiences with PS 163's general education program? Also, any comparisons with other UWS elementary schools (PS 84, PS 166, PS 87)?
Depends on which school you ware trying for. Some of the schools have a list to get into, and others don't. It would be best to call the schools that you're interested in to see if they have something like this, but I'm guessing that the schools that have a list for normal enrollment will not have mid-year spots, but other schools that don't have a long list might.
We are currently trying to move to Park Slope from the suburbs and are curious about the possibility of getting into a preschool mid-year. Our son is 4 and will be in preschool where we are until we move (hoping to sell soon and possibly move in the winter--around February/March). Has anyone else done this? Were you able to secure a preschool spot (I know UPK is unlikely given the high demand, but any idea on private preschools in the area)? I think it will be better for him to be enrolled in school to make the move easier (built-in friends and routine right away). Any places we should reach out to? Advice? Thanks!
Check with various parent's groups for the current scoop on this. I lived on the UWS and faced the same problem you're describing several years back. Getting into these schools was partially based on who you knew in the school. We were new comers and knew very few people in the area.
I was in the PS 87 zone, but there was a more restrictive catchment area. They were taking kids out of the zone over my kids giving some ridiculous reason. They were pushing us into 2 schools they were "upgrading", one next to Linclon Towers and one on W 89th St. My kids were accepted to PS 6 on the UES for the gifted and talented program and the offer was withdrawn because the W 89th St school was planning to offer a similar program.
We were so disgusted after seeing the public schools offered to us, that we enrolled our children in private schools. I attended public schools in the city and was shocked at how bad these schools were. Our children had absolutely no problem being accepted to multiple Tier 1 prep schools
daisy37, I am a parent of 2 boys (not quite kindergarten age) and currently live in the PS 87 zone. This was a big concern of ours before we bought our apartment. As I understand it, PS 87 used to have the longest waitlist on the UWS, so a couple of years ago the DOE carved out a chunk of the PS 87 zone (west of Amsterdam) to create a new school zone for PS 452 and alleviate PS 87's overcrowding. This seems to have worked, and although there is still a waitlist at PS 87, it is a small waitlist, and the head of my older son's preschool tells me that this waitlist has regularly cleared since 452 was created. Of course, nothing is guaranteed. There are also a number of other non-private school options on the UWS that we have learned about in the last couple of years that are also appealing to many people.
My fiance and I have been living on the UWS for years and don't want to leave our neighborhood. We also want to start a family in the next couple years. Our zoned elementary school is PS 87, and I have heard great things about the actual quality of the school but horror stories about waitlists and the process of getting one's child in. Is it true that there is a waitlist of over 100 kids for PS 87's kindergarten; what would happen if our kids did not get in off the waitlist by the start of the school year (would we have any say in which alternate school they get assigned to?); and how exactly does the waitlist work? I hear it's not first come first served (e.g., there is a sibling preference), and that a lot of people rent studios in our neighborhood just to get their kids into this school....isn't there a way to screen out people who do that? We want two kids and would rather move to the suburbs than pay $80k/year out of pocket for private school tuition, so not getting into a good PS would be a deal-breaker as far as our ability to continue living in the city.
Forgive my total ignorance on the subject, we're not parents yet and we both grew up in areas where there was no drama surrounding getting into the local public schools - our parents just signed us up and we went. TIA!
> Rezoning is completely unpredictable.
Not really. AVOID elementary school with LONG waiting lists and overcrowding. The shrinkage of PS 87 was totally predicable due to this. And now it's the turn of PS 199.
Basically parents kick and scream about their rights and the fact that their zoned school shouldn't have a waiting list. In PS 199, this happened enough though just a few blocks away PS 191 has been underutilized for YEARS. Hence the rezoning.
Rezoning is completely unpredictable. Therefore you have to ask other parents in your desired school if there has been any talk of rezoning or any such recent history. In Lower District 3 this can be an issue, but of late only regarding PS 199
What is your "background"?
You can volunteer to improve whatever school your child winds up being zoned for. That's how "good" schools became good.
Hi, we have a child who will attend pre-K next year and are wondering if anyone with a child currently in or previously at PS 267 could share your experience with the school. The UES has a lot of great schools, is this considered one of them yet?
Yes, I should. Interesting to see this thread revived, even for trollsterish reasons. None of my kids are now pre-K! All can read, all can count. We finally have another new middle school in District 3, opening fall 2015. Wisely, this is a 6-12 school and there are a lot of parents willing to first-choice it.
As for the common core, I can start another thread on that.
Aboutready, where do your kids go to school?
Go to the Parent's League (http://www.parentsleague.org/) and the Independent Schools Admission Association of Greater NY (http://www.isaagny.org/) to see what they know about the school.
I'd check that the school is "accredited" also in New York and if the teachers are licensed in any way.
I doubt you'll get much information on standardized tests because the school has only been open in the city for 3 years.
The starting price for 1/2 day at most pre-k schools is close to 18,000 right now. However, this place also has after school programs, so your child could enroll in a traditional school during regular school hours.
Does anyone know about this school on the upper west side? Every piece of information on the internet seems to be promotional info sent from the school's PR.
Specifically, how do the kids like it, what is the teacher:student ratio, what is the general tuition (not on website), are admissions difficult, how do the kids do on standardized tests vs other public/private schools...?
What are the perspectives on this school? How has it been post renovation?
>Third point: agree on this, but I'm only referencing the owner's interests here, as it's an owner who asked for advice, etc.
Getting the tenant in the door once the owner has approved the application himself is also in the owner's interest.
>Greensdale, I disagree with your first point, as tax returns from last year (or last 2 year's tax returns) are important in showing a track record of good income. As an owner, it's better to see that your prospective tenant has had solid income of 100k the last 2 years vs. someone with 30k the last two years, and JUST got hired at a new job making 120k.
You already asked for an employment letter stating duration of employment.
Greensdale, I disagree with your first point, as tax returns from last year (or last 2 year's tax returns) are important in showing a track record of good income. As an owner, it's better to see that your prospective tenant has had solid income of 100k the last 2 years vs. someone with 30k the last two years, and JUST got hired at a new job making 120k.
Second point: absolutely. Owner should get cashier checks, only deposit them once board grants the waiver/approves applicant. REBNY bylaws state that this should be the process, but it's just a good idea to do it anyway even in a private transaction
Third point: agree on this, but I'm only referencing the owner's interests here, as it's an owner who asked for advice, etc.
>This should be: most recent tax return (w2 or 1099 is helpful too), letter of employment on company letterhead stating salary and position, and how long they've been there and signed by supervisor, most recent bank statements, a few recent paystubs, and govt photo ID.
A bit much to be asking for tax return in addition to employment verification and paystubs, and bank statements.
>Once you're ok with that, sign a lease with the tenant and collect one month's rent and whatever security deposit you both agree on, and have them start the board package.
These checks should not be deposited until the lease is effective.
>I would also get it in writing (even just via email) that the tenant understands that once you submit the package, the time until approval is out of your hands and that the board has 30 days to approve it (sometimes more), ****and that you cannot guarantee a move-in date****.
The tenant should do better. The tenant should ask that the owner is in good standing with his condo and do that by a) stating what move in date is needed by the tenant, and b) getting a rider on the lease that if the lease is not approved by the date that would allow for this move-in, it's no good (subject of course to the tenant's agreement to waive this requirement if the tenant chooses). This should come with the understanding that the owner previews the lease even before the package is submitted with the appropriate person on the board and asks for the cooperation of the board member in pushing the lease through the board and managing agent in an appropriate timely fashion. A board may have 30 or 60 days after a proper application is submitted, but it doesn't need more than 10 minutes. If the owner can't get this done, or can't agree to get this done, it's an indication of either the managing agent, the board, or the owner's good standing with the board. A prospective tenant shouldn't be an asshole, but should hold the owner to providing the type of tenancy that the tenant has proven he is qualified for and will pay for. In fact, it's an easy ask in context of the tenant stating that his current place is done by a certain date or he has to be in NY by a certain date, etc. And it should be an easy one to agree by the owner, showing that he'll "go out of his way" to satisfy the tenant on this important matter, and see what sway he holds with the board when it counts.
There are two sides to everything. I'm also a broker, but for an owner who doesn't have a portfolio, lives in NYC already (ie: is currently living in the unit), and has the time, I can absolutely see the value of doing the rental yourself. There is nothing like getting to meet the prospective tenant in person and do a gut/instinct check on whether you think they're good people that you'd want living in your apartment or not. When I've represented small-time landlords (only own one unit, maybe two) who live in NYC, i typcially try to arrange a short meet-and-greet with them and the paperwork-approved tenant before lease signing. It makes both the tenant and owner feel better, and frankly, takes the liability off me (the broker), in regards to me promising something that I didn't, or not disclosing something. The tenant and owner having the chance to speak honestly and openly (though respectuflly) to one another before lease signing is worth its weight in gold for all partiest involved. The major value of using a broker you like/trust is when the landlord has so much property that showing and leasing it is a full-time job that the owner doesn't want to deal with, or the owner is out of town and not able to do it him/herself.
Streetva: somehow this thread has devolved into the "use a broker" vs. "don't use a broker" discussion, and your original question of the procedure of how the deal is done was lost in the shuffle. To answer your question: You should first get basic paperwork from the tenant so you can approve them to sign a lease. This should be: most recent tax return (w2 or 1099 is helpful too), letter of employment on company letterhead stating salary and position, and how long they've been there and signed by supervisor, most recent bank statements, a few recent paystubs, and govt photo ID. Once you're ok with that, sign a lease with the tenant and collect one month's rent and whatever security deposit you both agree on, and have them start the board package. When client is finished, have them deliver the finished board package to you to look over, then you make the appropriate copies and submit to mgmt.
I would also get it in writing (even just via email) that the tenant understands that once you submit the package, the time until approval is out of your hands and that the board has 30 days to approve it (sometimes more), ****and that you cannot guarantee a move-in date****.
"RENY is a broker, therefore anything he/she says will be slanted toward its profession."
Where did you get that idea??? Clairvoyant??
Ignore anyone who says "Forest Hills" and "cheaper" in the same sentence. They have zero clue what they are talking about.
1. you could be right about the location of the Unsold Shares for sale in Forest Hills
2. I have been trying for months to locate one or more to buy
3. and have found either that sponsors wont sell their unsold shares to investors
4. or that they are located in the areas you refer to
"There are a large number of Sponsor, no-board-approval coops on the
market now for sale: buying one let's you pay and move in the same day"
The apartments you're talking about are not in the area that people usually think of as Forest HIlls. They are between 99th St and 108th St right off the LIE and the Grand Central. The elementary school is not as good there and it's a long walk to the subway. The market in Cord Meyer and south Forest Hills is not in a slump at all.
rb345 no building will let you pay and move in the same day. You may be confusing coops with motels.
Forest Hills is much cheaper, and right now both the rental and sales
markets appear to be in something of a slump.
There are a large number of Sponsor, no-board-approval coops on the
market now for sale: buying one let's you pay and move in the same day
independent school teachers are paid significantly less money than public school teachers.
So no apples then?
According to friends who are public school teachers,it is against the law to accept money or gifts from their students or their student's families. According to friends who are independent school teachers, gifts are discouraged, especially since the staff is very well paid now. (These are the prep schools charging 20 - 35K per student.)
Our private preschool organizes 2 collections per year - suggested give is about $100/family - to be divided among teachers and staff. Any other gifts are STRONGLY discouraged and the admin says that if you must gift, it should be something your kid made HIMSELF (or herself!) for the teacher.
Do bus drivers need to be tipped, if they are losing their pick?
"Union drivers earn $14 to $29 an hour, and work on a 40-hour-weekly schedule with overtime kicking in if a day exceeds 10 hours. Ms. Wensmann, a single mother of an 11-year-old daughter who lives in North Babylon, on Long Island, earns $42,000 a year driving her bus; the most senior drivers earn around $51,000. Many have second jobs.
But many also qualify for unemployment during summertime, because they are technically laid off then; for Ms. Wensmann, that brings in an additional $362 a week for eight weeks."
according to the new zoning map, the 91st street projects fall into the 151 zone.
Try and get a place in good zone. 6 & 290 are the better with 158 & 151 solid choices. OLGC is a crapshoot, the new principal did a meet and greet with prospective parents and somehow managed to freak everyone out. Now those families are scrambling for other options because he was disorganized and created no confidence in the new school. Might turn out fine but if you have options, take them. We moved into the zone for 6 when our daughter was only 2, we just did the app there and were so relieved not to be sweating it like many of our friends just blocks away.
We are considering buying an apartment on the UES. Our first choice place with regards to space and budget is going to be in LOGC zone, our daughter will go to elementary school in fall 2015. Shou
D we go with the place despite it being zoned to a new school which I am apprehensive about since it will get a lot of crowd from the projects on 91st street, or should I try to find something in PS 290 or PS 158
any people have insights of PS 527? the new school opened to replace previous PS 151? This is a brand-new school without much statistics online, but any parents could offer some insights into this school?
Any recommendations for this school?