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Co-ops propping up pricing

Started by streakeasy
about 16 years ago
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Is it true that co-ops often will ask buyers to purchase in at a higher price only to later kick back funds later to inflate the actual selling price of any particular unit?
Response by RR1
about 16 years ago
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No.

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Response by streakeasy
about 16 years ago
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Are you sure? I heard of some stories where the co-op gave concessions during closing in order to preserve price stability.

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Response by ph41
about 16 years ago
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Only concession I can imagine is some negotiation on a flip tax, if the coop imposes on.

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Response by NWT
about 16 years ago
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I love these co-op myths that crop up out of nowhere. Here in a county where a very large percentage of the housing stock is co-ops.

Where there're shareowners following every nickel in and out, can't imagine where the money for a buyer kickback would come from.

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Response by streakeasy
about 16 years ago
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kickback would ultimately come from the seller!

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Response by waverly
about 16 years ago
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That is not happening.

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Response by NWT
about 16 years ago
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As if a seller would care about maintaining price stability in the co-op they've just sold out of. I just don't see where all the parties who'd have to be involved in such a conspiracy would find it worth their while.

We're not talking about no-money-down house sales out in the boonies, where sellers will pay buyer's closing costs. For this to work would require major money changing hands.

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Response by petrfitz
about 16 years ago
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as president of my co-op board i demand that I get to sleep with the wives of all new buyers on the first night in their new apartment.

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Response by streakeasy
about 16 years ago
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How is this 'urban myth' not possible?

Buyer negotiates with Seller on price X. Seller agrees, sends proposal to Coop. Coop agrees to proposal, lets Seller sell on condition actual home price X is too low, must add Y to closing price for price stability in building. At closing, price X + Y is closed on with Coop concession of Y, mortgage is on X price, Y never gets added, closing officially closes at X + Y. No monies change hands.

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Response by NWT
about 16 years ago
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Again, no. No way to get the principals at the closing, let alone their lawyers, the bank's rep, and the managing agent to accede to a misrepresentation of the sale. Does not happen.

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Response by streakeasy
about 16 years ago
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Ok, thanks. Just wanted to see if this was a real thing or not.

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Response by eric_cartman
about 16 years ago
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what does happen, i think, is that the coop board rejects all potential buyers unless the price is "high enough". i had this happen to a friend in a fancy UES coop. the board told him not to bother bringing in applicants below a certain price. the poor sucker is eating the mortgage and maintenance.

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Response by mmarquez110
about 16 years ago
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lol petrfitz. but beware..you saw how well that went over.

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Response by glamma
about 16 years ago
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streakeasy - great moniker!

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Response by 30yrs_RE_20_in_REO
about 16 years ago
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"I heard of some stories where the co-op gave concessions during closing in order to preserve price stability.I heard of some stories where the co-op gave concessions during closing in order to preserve price stability."

Give ONE address or STFU.

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Response by streakeasy
about 16 years ago
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wow, 30yrs, never knew how much of a prick you were. This so-called myth should be explained and understood for any buying population. whether or not you feel it is a right is another question. This was not a bash on coops for that matter, rather an understanding of the myth itself.

30yrs, do you happen to have an address?

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Response by sjbh
about 16 years ago
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Ah, the aroma of a cabal...so the co-op gets assessed for let's say 100K, and the former shareholder gets an extra 100k he/she didn't negotiate and the remaining shareholders are indifferent and the buyer's, seller's and lending bank attorneys don't blink an eye at the closing because, whatever;

What color is the sky in your universe?

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Response by waverly
about 16 years ago
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"what does happen, i think, is that the coop board rejects all potential buyers unless the price is "high enough". i had this happen to a friend in a fancy UES coop. the board told him not to bother bringing in applicants below a certain price."

I call BS on this as well. A "friend" huh? Either this is one of those, "I heard from a friend of a friend of a friend stories" or your friend didn;t want to tell you why they didn;t get the apartment.

I also think this myth has been spread around way too often. Evidence please....

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Response by uptowngal
about 16 years ago
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Why would a buyer agree to a 'kickback' from the seller after closing? who would enforce it? doesn't make sense.

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Response by streakeasy
about 16 years ago
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"Some years back, an Upper West Side co-op was in receivership due to a mortgage dispute with the building's sponsor. During the same period, the co-op was losing tens of thousands of dollars in revenue from the garage beneath it, which had a 15-year, far-below-market value lease. On a hunch, the board president checked the public estate records of the deceased owner of the building, and found what resembled a kickback. The documents showed the property owner had received $100,000 from the garage owner. It had been recorded as a loan repayment. Coincidently, the garage's first "loan" payment came due the day the lease began."
http://cooperator.com/articles/45/1/Checks-and-Balances/Page1.html

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