Trader Joe's definitely coming to 200W72

http://landmarkwest.blogspot.com/2006/11/landmark-west-on-landmarks-crisis.html

Acker Merrill has cheaper and better wine. Ask them about Crane Lake brand

So you'll have
Fairway for produce
Zabar's for cheese
Citarella for seafood
TJs for carbs

Alanhart, Your right. The UWS needs Trader Joe's like it needs another liberal. If Trader Joe's had any social responsibility they would open a store in Harlem, recession be damned.

TJs may have carbs but their most unique offerings seem to be frozen foods and other private label items at good prices.

Let's hope a Manhattan Walmart is coming

I didn't read AH's comments as a knock against TJs. Harlem could use a TJs, as could a whole host of other NYC locations. NYC suffers from good grocery shopping.

What I found especially interesting is that Trader Joe's is getting 25,000 sf of space, which is bigger than Fairway's store (22,000 sf) and much bigger than the 14th street store (regular store and wine store combined are 15,000 sf).

Sorry nyc10023. But nimbys are one of my pet peeves. Pls tell me why you feel entitled to tell the bldgs dept, the developer, sellers, soon to be new renters/buyers, and our rule of law that you feel 'entitled' to 'write a letter?'

If you wanted to keep the old bldg, please purchase ALL bldgs you deem worthy of savings.

Obtw u are way way way past due. ; )

cgoodstein, the 14th street store is a fright show. hopefully when they open the new one in chelsea it will improve. or at least the one in chelsea will be so much bigger (i believe) that i can shop there instead. although people don't jam carts into your shins at TJs, so that's nice.

nyc10023, you really must be more insistent with those doctors.

W67: I'm not a NIMBY at all. I believe that some old buildings are worth preserving from an arch. and streetscape point of view. Everyone, as part of the community, is entitled to put their 2 cents in as far as the Landmark Commission is concerned. I suppose you don't think there should be a Landmark Commission either, which absolutely, takes away the right of a developer/owner to do as they wish with their property.

Fair enough, except that sometimes people take the short view and build REALLY ugly things. Do you honestly believe that the montrosity that is Penn Station & office complex today should have been built over the insanely majestic old Penn Station, because to prevent the owner from doing as they wished with their land was wrong? Ditto Grand Central, which was barely saved from the wrecker's ball?

What if untrammeled development leads to an uglier city?

AR: it's a done deal - this Saturday.

http://www.nyc-architecture.com/SPEC/GAL-PENN.htm

And it irritates me that people like Macklowe get away with demolishing the Drake Hotel (not especially distinguished, but still a nice old building) and there's nothing there but a hole.

I was a little iffy on the replacement of the Dakota (?) Stables with the Harrison, but at least it doesn't look as bad as 200W72.

I could not say it better:

Any city gets what it admires, will pay for, and, ultimately, deserves. Even when we had Penn Station, we couldn’t afford to keep it clean. We want and deserve tin-can architecture in a tinhorn culture. And we will probably be judged not by the monuments we build but by those we have destroyed."
- "Farewell to Penn Station," New York Times editorial, October 30, 1963

When I see those old pix of the Pennsylvania Station, it pisses me off supremely that Moynihan Station is being pitched as some sort of return to that. It's so not ... it has columns and steps in common, but not even that, because they 8th Ave side will remain the PO.

So it'll be a modern building shoved into the unimpressive mail-sorting rear, and connections to subway lines will be anywhere from inadequate (8th Ave. lines, half an avenue away) to nearly pointless (Herald Square, half a mile away).

All so the greedy owners of 1 Penn Plaza, etc., can redevelop at much higher density.

Sometimes I'm glad the State can never get it together.

It was such a cool building. There are many legal arguments against the "taking" that a non-elected body like the Landmark Commission imposes, but if your heart doesn't just soar at the sight of the old Penn Station pics, well...

Allow me to read a letter from an American Indian in 1899. You have built an outhouse over my ancestors graves, built a wall where we collect freshwater, and built wooden forts where once we kept our teepees. Please send me the address of the Landmark committee so I can post my grievences.

Ps. Pls send more firewater, as we have a bumper tobacco crop this year.

Everyone just gets to pick a different time period they want to preserve. No biggie, you like the teepees, I like everything from 1800s up to about 1930s. I'm reading Wharton right now, and I'm liking it.