Where can I research the legality of installing a Natural Gas line to a terrace? Condo board approval aside, I'm trying to guage DOB approval likelihood and legality. I've seen conflicting reports and ambiguous language in a few sources. NYC.gov tells me that an LMP (licensed master plumber) needs to do any installation, but I'm unclear as to whether there will be insurance concerns or DOB... [more]
Where can I research the legality of installing a Natural Gas line to a terrace? Condo board approval aside, I'm trying to guage DOB approval likelihood and legality.
I've seen conflicting reports and ambiguous language in a few sources. NYC.gov tells me that an LMP (licensed master plumber) needs to do any installation, but I'm unclear as to whether there will be insurance concerns or DOB approval issues. Does a brick exterior wall cound as a "cumbustible surface" under their interpretation?
The building is brick and the terrace is about 500 sq ft of concrete pavers. There is a water spout near (<3 ft.) the proposed grill location and nothing combustible within 10 feet. However, the brick wall will be about a foot away from the grill.
Does anyone know where to find a difinitive answer? Will homeowners insurance be affected?
Thanks!
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Response by falcogold1
over 13 years ago
Posts: 4159
Member since: Sep 2008
I don't know the exact legality of a nat gas grill but I have seen it done. The penthouse at 74LUX has just such a built grill and outdoor kitchenet. Grills that run on natural gas must be installed by a
New York City LMP according to the NYC Fuel Gas Code. In addition, the piping must be inspected and
tested according to that Code, and an LMP will understand these requirements. Also be aware that Fuel Gas
Code §623.2 makes it illegal to use a grill produced for
commercial use in a residence.
licensed master plumber (LMP)
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Response by front_porch
over 13 years ago
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Member since: Mar 2008
As I understand it, this is one of the few ways to actually get a legal grill onto a terrace in NYC. I've seen one on Warren Street, and there's one at the Sky Terrace at 90 William.
The way to check on the insurance impact is to call your insurance agent and ask them, I would think. In terms of whether the situation is truly fireproof, I wonder if you could swing by your local firehouse and ask them? I don't know how it works in the city, but when I was in the suburbs the local fire department was always trying to help homeowners prevent hazardous situations.
Also, I would imagine any good contractor would be able to tell you the DOB part.
ali r.
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Response by alanhart
over 13 years ago
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It's not LIQUID natural gas! It's gaseous natural gas, same as the range in your kitchen.
If you're really concerned about brick as a no-no, and want to streamline the process, consider a shallow false wall behind the grill, made of sheet metal -- flat stainless steel or chrome for a modern look, or tin-ceiling material for a less modern look, or my very favorite building material in the world: corrugated metal, the older v-wave type, hung so it takes on a vertical effect less it get covered in soot.
You'll need a natural gas conversion kit, and not all propane grills can be converted.
I don't know the exact legality of a nat gas grill but I have seen it done. The penthouse at 74LUX has just such a built grill and outdoor kitchenet. Grills that run on natural gas must be installed by a
New York City LMP according to the NYC Fuel Gas Code. In addition, the piping must be inspected and
tested according to that Code, and an LMP will understand these requirements. Also be aware that Fuel Gas
Code §623.2 makes it illegal to use a grill produced for
commercial use in a residence.
licensed master plumber (LMP)
As I understand it, this is one of the few ways to actually get a legal grill onto a terrace in NYC. I've seen one on Warren Street, and there's one at the Sky Terrace at 90 William.
The way to check on the insurance impact is to call your insurance agent and ask them, I would think. In terms of whether the situation is truly fireproof, I wonder if you could swing by your local firehouse and ask them? I don't know how it works in the city, but when I was in the suburbs the local fire department was always trying to help homeowners prevent hazardous situations.
Also, I would imagine any good contractor would be able to tell you the DOB part.
ali r.
DG Neary Realty
It's not LIQUID natural gas! It's gaseous natural gas, same as the range in your kitchen.
If you're really concerned about brick as a no-no, and want to streamline the process, consider a shallow false wall behind the grill, made of sheet metal -- flat stainless steel or chrome for a modern look, or tin-ceiling material for a less modern look, or my very favorite building material in the world: corrugated metal, the older v-wave type, hung so it takes on a vertical effect less it get covered in soot.
You'll need a natural gas conversion kit, and not all propane grills can be converted.