Lottery results for Upper West Side schools

Is there a link with some details?

Does anyone know the history of PS87, 199, 9, 75, ...

Ie. Since when did they start being considered 'good' schools. Was it during the last recession (early 90's)? Because of parents moving from private school to public out of necessity.

If so, maybe there is a chance ps84,165 could improve?

At least for PS 87, it's a very specific story of a few educated parents combing the area playgrounds to get commitments from similarly educated parents to send their kids to PS 87, and participate actively in making it a better school. Not sure, but I think this was in the late 1970s.

Today's Manhattan parents make school decisions as if they were shopping for a fur coat, so forget about that story being replicated at any other school.

Boston Bloomberg's anti-parents stance makes it pretty much impossible.

PS84 & 165 will improve when the vast majority of neighborhood parents send their kids to those schools.

was it Cortines who gave some schools to disgruntled parents? told them if they didn't like their options, he had an empty space and they should work with the Dept.ofEd. and submit a proposal? I'm fairly sure something of this ilk happened, but I'm not sure exactly where.

The racial climate is a little different these days. There will be a minefield (and rightly so) if the DOE gave empty space to upper-middle class parents today. The reason why the DOE went lottery for D3 schools was (fairly, IMO) based on charges of inequity in accessibility to desirable schools.

You don't think there's room for such parent inolvement, on a different scale, of course, in 84 and 165 now, though? I would generally agree with alanhart's description of today's parents, but it sseems as though opportunity might come from adversity.

There is room for parental involvement, but the days of the DOE giving space to parents so they can start an Anderson are over. PS84 (from playground chatter) is rapidly improvement. PS165 - a lot of these parents have traditionally been able to enroll in PS87 or other schools and these days are over. Not sure if that's going to be the tipping point for PS165...

What about PS 166?

There were no extra seats available for 166 this year by lottery. A very good sign.

My alma mater.

http://gothamschools.org/2008/11/06/in-district-3-advocates-say-zones-lines-should-disappear/

A very interesting article - this is a very natural position that should appeal to the "working class" population of NYC, whatever that means. It is hard to argue against the logic - why should affluent parents be able to choose the public schools their children go to, while poor parents are restricted based on what they can afford? But call it racism, call it whatever you will, the minute D3 goes unzoned, most of my very liberal, Democratic neighbors will leave the public school system, leaving working-class families with just as few options as before.

10023, the private schools, despite the recession, are still fairly saturated, probably for the next year or two. just curious, where will they go, or are you talking about a long-term trend?

They will leave the city.

BTW, 10023, I wasn't suggesting giving schools to the parents now. I was wondering if that in part could be the answer to Bugelrex's question.

If they leave the city, then i agree, there will be no opportunity arising out of adversity. Some, however, may just stay because they can't sell their homes at anywhere near palatable prices.

Let's see, do the Yankees need unfilled luxury boxes, or do our kids need some more school spots?

A conpletely unzoned district 3 might look good on paper but I don't think it would be good in reality. The district stretches from 59th St to 122nd. The youngest kids entering kindergarten turn 5 on Dec 31. If unzoned you're talking about the possibility of putting a child who is 4 years 8 months old on the first day of school on a bus to go 60 blocks to kindergarten.
Its true that many families have long commutes to the private school of their choice. Most of those families have money to afford one parent to not work or to have a baby sitter to handle drop off and pick up from school. For public school many of the parents wouldn't be able to do that. If the schools are zoned the parents can walk the kids a few blocks to kindergarden on the way to work.

There are many urban areas (much larger than UWS) that are unzoned - SF, Berkeley...

Our daughter is in a private school and we had her on the A-E public bus from Chelsea to the UES for a couple of years. Our school has many children travelling on the A-E public school bus system.

this all makes me grateful to be catholic. i think that's the first time i've uttered those words. The public school system really sounds like one big headache!

Hey UWSMOM, we're looking at a school on 108th for our PK-4. Wife and I are a mixed bag of some catholic, some protestant, but both non practicing. If we pursue, we are a little concerned about the saturation at school vs. the vacuum at home. Any advice?

Spinnaker, I know the school you are talking about. FABULOUS, inclusive, progressive, dynamic priest heads that church. He is very involved with the school. It was our fall back, but got in a TT school.