Deflation =====> Your NYC RE apt price goes down! ericho69 et.al. DaBulls.

No no, you ARE a jerk.

pro communist? a little dated in your insults I think. but...again, I'm more interested in understanding your type. can we assume that you have a physical resemblance to rush limbaugh or just a drug addiction?

OH MY GOD, IF I DON'T MENTION EVERYTHING WITH EVERYONE I TALK TO MY POINTS JUST DON'T MATTER. wtf? i don't care exactly what i said to you deb. the thread is what is is, and how f'ng disingenous of you to say i didn't bring up such and such after already doing so to deal with you. i assume that people who enter the fray here have at least the sense to read the threads they are posting on. if not, piss off.

and wtf about my handouts and sympathies. you sound like a nasty racist piece of work yourself.

columbiacounty, what is the problem with my language? Point it out.
As far as your anatomical questions, her brain tells her that minorities and the poor can't ever make it in this society so they need to be protected. That is the ultimate in passive racism.

That may be so, but I can form a thought and change my mind...you still have that bone you won't let go of and the chip on your shoulder.
What are you so insecure about? You can tell me, I won't judge you, like some people who call others "jane fonda types" or label people anti-american and pro-communist.

And by the way, it's 2009, might as well say Socialist, right?

Columbiacounty, yeah, pro Communist, and against the American fighting solders we sent to support our country.

"you are too inconsequential for me to spend much time thinking about." think you meant any time, right?

No aboutready, I'm no racist. I want people of all colors and stripes to succeed, have a good life, support their families, have happiness and security. I don't go in with the assumption that certain people can't achieve just because of their race or current economic status. Like I said, you are the type who will never get it, no matter how smart you are. You think your role in the world is to protect the poor and keep them poor, quash their ambitions and chances for upward mobility.

american fighting soldiers? as opposed to american non fighting soldiers? did you specifically want to exclude any and all support troops because you think less of them?

"you are too inconsequential for me to spend much time thinking about." think you meant any time, right?

Well I've already spent a slight bit of time, so "any" wouldn't apply now.

CC: not only did she get that wrong, she continued to talk to me...she's a loser with a giant chip on her shoulder.
Do us a favor and prove your loyalty to our country and go fight, and shut your trap.

And how the hell could you possibly draw a line from anything AR said, to not supporting the troops?

Dare I ask, you think Saddam blew up the WTC, right? Cause Bush said so? Are we really going here?

if you had just read my original, calmly stated, advice, to re-read AR's posts..

Oh Columbia, are those the fights you wish to pick. "any" vs. "much" and "American fighting soldiers" vs. "American soldiers".

You are taking your cues from aboutready about changing the subject when you are behind. Unfortunately, I suspect that your intelligence level is closer to upperwestrenter's level. That is if you aren't the same person.

So you're a psych major? You have a graduate degree? Let us know, cause i'm interested where in AR's comments you were able to read this much into it...your precious former president bush on the otherhand would agree that the poor should stay poor.
but hey, he supports the troops at least!

upperwestrenter, you didn't calmly say anything.

well, i'm still struggling to understand the difference between a fighting soldier and a soldier. you're the one who made the distinction---please explain.

columbiacounty, please correct upperwestrenter's use of the word "cause" instead of "because"

so, you do look like rush?

"deb, what board are you reading?? Do us a favor and re-read this, carefully this time. Perhaps you have to read slower?
Give it another try, then wait before typing.
my folks taught me something, think before you speak"

that was calm compared to what I'm not going to post...
and you ignored it

Explain to me where AR's comments = anti-troop?
And I could care less about grammar or spelling, I care more about the main point...but I chose to pick on you because of the chip on your shoulder, and it worked.
That was the first thing you asked me, "where is the run-on sentence?"

Are you ashamed of your upbringing? Perhaps your folks don't speak english well and you were embarrassed as a child? It's ok, let it out. You can cry on my shoulder honey, I'll even rub your back ever so slightly

Deb, just so you know I can be a nice guy, maybe this will be good for you to listen to:
http://api.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=102039380

I'm not a total jerk.
Good luck with your issues...I find writing them in a journal to really help

Yup, I'm a female Rush Limbaugh impersonator with parents who didn't speak English and who wants a creepy racist grammaticist to rub my back (is Rush's back hairy??)

it's getting late.... and yes I was chaperoning my daughter's playdate (damn nannies both took off the same 2 weeks)... I've never drank so much pretend tea... but oddly I find myself peeing alot.

DebGovert... look down there and clear away the majora, then the minora... now look for the happy button... whew! that oughta keep her busy till tomorrow....

Yo! howz it hanging w/ the regular back row crew? Thanks for having my big hairy back.

For the other nimwits (who shall remain nameless, namely ericho75, trembling, deb)..... do you guys sit in a Dave Chapelle show and ask, what's so funny? as the entire stadium bursts into laughter?

sweet dreams all....

this is convoluted beyond belief. but i think that deb has few positive thoughts for anyone, how bush-like. so ignore it is.

I didn't realize I'm racist, but I'll rub your back baby

We don't let our children play until 10pm. What kind of mother or father are you?

shit, I knew I should have just sat back and waited for w67...
classic and hilarious as usual

Although I think they are more the types to call racism on Chapelle.

Perhaps the kind who wasn't ashamed of their parents? Come on, let it out girl!
It's ok, we're here for you

it'z funny how some of these negative posters are starting to sound the same. of course i won't know in the future, at least with the mentally challenged deb, because the ignore this person option has become my friend.

you are far smarter and more dignified than i. and yes, they do sound oddly similar...trying to remember who was the last commie hater. which i must say i find pretty funny

better dead than red!

I have been paying attention and it is pretty clear. Aboutready is also mimi and nyc10023. Columbiacounty, upperwestrenter, w67, w34 are the same person but with "different" personalities. DebGovert probably is a man and the same persona as trembling, NYCMatt and alpine292.

interesting point you make about DG, Matt and Alpine. as i dislike all 3, i tend to agree with you. my fondest wish would be to be half as funny and pithy as west67st.

After blowing 15 minutes of my life reading this thread, i think most readers are noticing the same thing. The real estate bears's use of profanity is simply out of control. You hardly see the opposing side doing it.
And they call us the bunch with hidden agenda. You SE bears need to cool down and stop acting like a bunch of 16 year old high school drop outs. It seems like every logical debate always end up with name calling and profanity by you bears. To make matters worst, how can any use violence, racism and stabbing of little girls to anything be RIGHT? Even though if it's a joke, it's still wrong.

Please w47tstreet, can you use that 1,600 SAT score of yours to good use. Let's be a little sensitive with the words. Even if you are a racist, pro-violence and little girl stabber supporter, let's try not to talk about it on these boards.

Thanks!

Your friend.

I don't believe in censorship.

Where is your stance in irony? You think w67 is pro botched abortion? Really?
Plus, if you understood anything, you'd understand he wasn't trying to be "right" he was making a point.
I expect you to miss that and for it to go above your head, but that's why I'm pointing it out now...cause (that's for you deb) I'm a nice guy!

Have a nice sleep...looking forward to links with positive trends tomorrow

Clack,
What about me?

just a plain old loser.

hahahahaha, I enjoyed that!

but that must be because I dropped out of high school at 16...damn't!

clack, come to our next gathering. 10023 lives on the uws, i'm in pcv. mimi lives in buenos aires, she is hopefully going to like my piano and take it away. and she has had some lovely ideas for rentals for me for my trip next spring. but she is not me and i am not her. your comment is funny, on some level(s).

and cc is happy as hell to be lumped with w67th. and he can be just as pithy, albeit with a different style.

"just a plain old loser."

Typical answer...

"hahahahaha, I enjoyed that! "

Another typical answer...

I'm a bigger and better man. I'm not scooping down to your levels.

Good night.

nope..you're just scooping ice cream, you loser.

CC,
LOL...now, that's funny.
You see, even if you are a pro-violence, child promoting stabber and a racist you could be funny without any reference to it.

how do you scoop down?
is that a dance move?

Yea, learned it while renting in upper west side.
Great for tossing salads.

so...you are matt....i knew it all along.

Wow
All of you people deserve each other
And clack, no aboutready and mimi are different people. Mimi isn't even in this country, she's walking around like a zombie "mimi mimi mimi mimi ..." lolol
w67th is definitely a man in his own right. Kind of a sweaty hairy guy, but amusing.

And u deserve who, attacking me out of the blue?

you learned how to toss salads on the upper west? que?

klonipin took too many this evening.
can i get some? I need a couple too

klonipin vs. Klonopan. Very different.
Mimi, you aren't a person, right?

What does that even mean?

Zzzzzzzz

Yea, you haven't been living in NYC long enough have you?

i suspect that i've been living in nyc longer than you've been alive....

wait...that assumes that you are alive.

Okay grand mom.

i was born and raised here chief...what bridge did you take in?
or perhaps a tunnel?
Classic Douche move

Oh, i like that....chief!
From now on, you can address me by that.
Did my Russian accent gave it away?

same person or boyfriends

nah, it was when when you called me comrade.

i'm tired of having posters constantly defending what they're saying..just let it be...

and back to the initial concept, money supply. interesting notion from Setser. that chart is scary. all that government borrowing to compensate for destroyed consumer and corporate sectors. but, hey, this economy is doing just fine.

http://blogs.cfr.org/setser/2009/05/31/more-government-borrowing-doesnt-necessarily-mean-more-total-borrowing/

It is hard to follow this nonsense, but one thing is for sure, this is hardly any better or more valuable a thread than the nyc10022 is a douche thread that was deleted. It is also hard to know why this thread still exists except that certain people like w67thstreet and all their offensiveness are somehow ok because they are "pithy" and funny and upperwestrenter or columbiacounty like them. Ugh.

Hi all-

There was a lengthly discussion here following my post and plenty is off base in its interpretation of my statements and/or a deliberate diversion by individuals with their own hard to fathom agendas. I don't know how the discussion became about violence or racism. Real estate ownership has nothing to do with racism or violence, nor classism. Just the opposite. The greater ownership levels achieved in the past decade support advancement and equality for all.

Simply said, real estate ownership adds stability to our country, to our families, and to our lives, as well is a sensible way for families to save for the long term and own real assets. Certainly there are legitimate short-term reasons why it might be preferable to rent, such as if a person expects to be transient in location or in their particular job or a hardship. Beyond that if we encourage more families to be owners of their residences, as has been the American way, is part of our shared value system, and is a core element of the American dream, then all of our American society will benefit.

Ownership makes irrefutable sense.

Ownership might indeed be part of the american dream, and the american culture, but I don't see what the word "value" has to do with it.

DaBulls: That was brilliant satire.

oh no...here we go again.

"Ownership makes irrefutable sense." really? to whom?

"Real estate ownership adds stability to our country, to our families, and to our lives, as well is a sensible way for families to save for the long term and own real assets." Except when they overpay and lose everything...but that couldn't happen, could it?

oh yes!... here we go again.... :)

Daballz.... agenda? Like my father, Lawrence Yun? Your wife the RE broker? Your mama, the mortgage banker? Your cousin, the RE Tax collector?

Have you ever heard of misguided economic policy? Misallocation of societal resources?

lean down and sniff your post... no, get really close to the screen.... that's the smell of self-serving stupidity cloaked in patriotism.... you'll see it used often when there's no data to support your point of view.

aboutready.. yes let's get back to "deflation." Nice article above.... yes who would've guessed.... when u stop consuming... you don't need loans to support that consumption :)

ericho75 et al.... have a nice RE ride....

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"Except when they overpay and lose everything...but that couldn't happen, could it?"

If money isn't an issue, how does overpaying have any relations to losing it? My personal belief is that homeowners were over leveraged to a point where they were simply buying something they can't afford. It's a case by case issue. Currently, many people are losing their homes because of unemployment, but one can argue that a number of us who overpaid can still afford it. Foreclosure rates are not 100%.

w67thstreet,

Thoughts on personal incoming increasing, ISM numbers and construction spending? All showing signs of increasing, i guess it means nothing to you since you have an SAT score of 1,600 and currently spend most of your time on a message board.

One more note, for a guy with a 1,600 SAT score you have trouble writing complete sentences. I...find...it....odd.......

yes.... but we are ALL paying for those idiots.... it's a policy decision.. just like pushing home ownership thru tax breaks etc etc...

If money isn't a issue pls buy all of manhattan.... I know alot of couples who can't move b/c they can't sell at 2007 prices, i think it's like 12K the last count... ahhhh hell, just pay the difference between 07 and 09'.... you say tomato.. .I say potato

if money isn't an issue? well great for you carol, but i think its safe to say that money is an issue for many people. kind of the if your grandmother had wheels she'd be a baby carriage argument.

and yep, foreclosure rates are not close to 100%...that's the best news I've heard today...enricho---put in a buy order on that news buddy. you heard it hear first --- despite many rumors to the contrary, foreclosure is not I repeat 100%

1310..... it's like when Jordan does an extra hand pass mid-dunk, when you have command of something you can embellish and add personal style.... you should try it.

So let me get this straight.... 10 yrs of equity day trading and the best you could do was LIC? Me thinkz... oh hell Me KNOWS you could've done better leveraging yourself in NYC RE w/ your initial seed money the last 10 yrs, unless you started w/ $10MM :(

yes... it's not 100% CC :), just 12% and it's starting to creep up the credit ladder.... like the swine ass flu... it'll affect us all at some point :(

"..peace out 3x :)"

LOL...you sure you live on west 67th street and not the ghetto neighborhoods up in bronx?

Peace out too bro.

12% for the rest of the country.
This number is very low for NYC.

believe it or not, everyone in manhattan can't sit in front of a bloomberg screen and make wads of money unless there is not only the rest of the county but the rest of the world.

ericho75... .the converse of your statement would be a black or inner city youth can't live on west 67th street? Damnnnn... that's almost as good as Daballz... homeeroticownership = partiotism/american... therefore renters and those who cannot "buy" or chooses not to does not support "america and its "core" values"....

And yes, I grew up in Hell's kitchen near the projects and like you am an immigrant (economic/political) to US. Dig yourself right back to Coney Island... little Odessa?

obsessive housing disorder.

http://www.city-journal.org/2009/19_2_homeownership.html

w67thstreet,

Com'on brother, beside our opposing views we're on the same boat. Did your parents made a pit stop in ellis island?

Apartments may decline in value, I suspect they will but on the other hand real estate markets are slow. As for the rest of deflation, maybe in certain areas. More likely that people will substitute premium products for lower products. See today's Ad Age. And frankly, either way, whether it is Kellogg's Raisin Bran or the private label raisin bran, it is still American and good for kids to eat ... since I see this discussion evolved into some bitter war between homeowners and renters, American family value types and independent voters, and grammarians and hooligans.

ericho75.. you are absolutely right... america is a stout little boat and will right itself, we just gotta get thru a couple of more knock downs... that's the only difference btwn u and I....

Forget little odessa, I can deduce it in other ways... do you drive a BMW? does your last name start with a K or D?

W67: didn't I suggest that you were from Odessa by way of B. Beach? Who knows if the States is a stout little boat or we're in the endgame of the Titanic.

i'd be happier if the boat showed evidence of better construction standards. but the band is playing lovely music as we sail forth. even if the buffet table looks a bit sparse.

hey nyc10023... howz the work outs? yes I do recollect that question.... but aboutready knows my Social Security # and Amex pin #, thats' why I'm so nice to her :) and can't divulge more on SE... :)

For my children's sake, let hope it's not the Titanic :), that's why I prefer stout sailboats with well built bulkheads... .the problems or solution with knock downs and such is the "righting" momentum of the boat and it's structural integrity... America is a bitch, but it's my bitch :)

NEVER EVER buy a trimaran.... unless you know what the hell you are doing... those things are scary off the water...

i'm particularly fond of the amex pin # :)