SteveF: I noticed your latest tantrum: "sniper, declining real estate values is DIRECTLY related to unemployment. The fact that you want price depreciation means you want unemployment. Simple dude. Either you just didn't realize that or you are f'd up. I think you realize the unemployment thing but don't care as long as you get what you want. You still want to be on the list?" "I don't UWS, I hope... [more]
SteveF: I noticed your latest tantrum:
"sniper, declining real estate values is DIRECTLY related to unemployment. The fact that you want price depreciation means you want unemployment. Simple dude. Either you just didn't realize that or you are f'd up. I think you realize the unemployment thing but don't care as long as you get what you want. You still want to be on the list?"
"I don't UWS, I hope columbia, marco, aboutready and nyc10022 crash and burn. They are hoping for everyone else to crash and burn so they can benefit. But the best part is they are now in a nose dive with smoke out the rear."
Just wanted to point out your hypocrisy:
- It's okay for you to pump the markets (with no substantive arguments) but not okay for others to point out why the market will continue to fall (using reason and analysis).
- You say that hoping prices will go down is equivalent to hoping for unemployment. SteveF, I would say that your hope that prices increase further is equivalent to hoping for the elimination of the lower and middle class in NYC.
- You complain about other people being "self-centered" or self-interested. DUDE, YOU ARE THE ONE WHO OWNS MULTIPLE APARTMENTS IN NYC AND IS TRYING TO SELL THEM. How are you not self-interested? That is the entire reason why you post.
I think the greatest testimony to the weakness of the markets is the fact that you haven't sold your places yet, and they continue to sit on the market.
How do I know that? Because you still post on Streeteasy. The minute you sell your apartments, we'll be rid of you. Meanwhile, the more you post, the more we all know you are panicking about the markets.
So, my questions for you: would you be willing to post your listings? I'll offer you 50% of the most recent comps.
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Response by sniper
almost 17 years ago
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preaching for a genocide of the NYC middle class?
man, you are sick stevef. first hitler, then milosevic, whoever is in charge in darfur and now you.
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Response by Ubottom
almost 17 years ago
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hey beatyerp--thanks for taking the time to articulate a proper response to this moron
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Response by marco_m
almost 17 years ago
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Steve F..I work on wall st and I take the good with the bad like a man.I dont cry. I got busted out in the last bear market and was unemployed for 6 months and had to recreate myself. ill do it again if necessary. Thats what I notice about RE people..seems like they cant hang when the goin gets tough. bunch of pu$$ies
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Response by waverly
almost 17 years ago
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sniper - I am not sure anyone is in charge in Darfur. Although, I think RE is pretty cheap there.
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Response by malthus
almost 17 years ago
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Thanks beatyerputz. That BS called for a response and best done in a new thread. The other part of it is the hypocrisy of those who pumped the market up and bear some responsibility for the damage that has followed now trying to pin the blame on those who have zero culpability for the current situation. Unbelievable.
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Response by nyc10022
almost 17 years ago
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"- You complain about other people being "self-centered" or self-interested. DUDE, YOU ARE THE ONE WHO OWNS MULTIPLE APARTMENTS IN NYC AND IS TRYING TO SELL THEM. How are you not self-interested? That is the entire reason why you post."
LOL.
Is anyone surprised that the dumbest posts are also usually the most hypocritical?
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Response by beholder
almost 17 years ago
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maltus: "those who pumped the market up and bear some responsibility for the damage that has followed".
How? Because they bought? Or what?
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Response by nyc10022
almost 17 years ago
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I think he's talking about folks who promoted and profited from the frenzy. Developers, brokers, etc.
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Response by beholder
almost 17 years ago
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Then he should be more specific.
By the way, the going theory is that something is worth only what people are willing to pay for it. Hence a "frenzy" is not enforcible. People were willing to pay. Nobody held a gun to anyone's head.
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Response by sniper
almost 17 years ago
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enablers
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Response by nyc10022
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"By the way, the going theory is that something is worth only what people are willing to pay for it. Hence a "frenzy" is not enforcible."
I assume you mean enforceable? What "enforcement" would you be talking about?
"People were willing to pay. Nobody held a gun to anyone's head."
Well, in a certain sense, some folks did have guns held to their head. Check out some of the documented cases - terms were changed at last minute, etc. There was some bait and switch going on, and when it happens at closing, that can be a gun to someone's head.
But lets leave that aside.
Yes, many folks were willing to pay, and this was a mistake. They are responsible, absolutely. But, I also find the people who lied to them responsible as well. They paid folks for advice, and bad advice was given. Buyers are still responsible, but I believe this should be something brokers can lose their license over.
And, more importantly, yes, its still their fault.
What you seem to be missing is... some of the folks who made the mistake are now here trying to shill.
Because they lost a lot of money for having gotten shilled, they've turned into shills themselves.
You got sold snake oil, and now you're trying to resell it to some sucker to get your money back.
That doesn't make you a good human. It doesn't make you any better than the original shill.
And, complaining that the folks who didn't buy the snake oil are at fault... well, thats just stupid.
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Response by beholder
almost 17 years ago
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What about people who bought, paying whatever they paid, and now are NOT selling and just enjoying their homes? Did they, in your opinion, also contributed to the frenzy? After all, they did keep the prices up?
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Response by w67thstreet
almost 17 years ago
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go go go beatie... :)
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Response by nyc10022
almost 17 years ago
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"What about people who bought, paying whatever they paid, and now are NOT selling and just enjoying their homes? Did they, in your opinion, also contributed to the frenzy? After all, they did keep the prices up?"
They were part of the market, of course. But, if they are enjoying their homes, they're not on this board rationalizing, are they?
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Response by malthus
almost 17 years ago
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Sorry I was not more specific but nyc seems to have gotten my point. I didn't think anyone would confuse "pumping up" the market with buying. I'm not really sure what the enforcability issue is all about though.
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Response by nyc10022
almost 17 years ago
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Agreed. I think someone was just a little touchy.
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Response by stakan
almost 17 years ago
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You are right, all of you.
It's so easy misread a poster and label someone offhandedly. Touchy this, or bitter that. Whatever.
I started reading/posting on SE awhile back, hoping to get involved in RE as home conversations.
I was wrong. At this point I'd rather remove myself from this "forum".
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Response by aboutready
almost 17 years ago
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stakan, if this forum has nothing to offer you, then so be it. a thick skin is certainly needed here, under certain circumstances. you certainly, like others, can focus on the threads that "are RE as home conversations." whatever that may mean to you.
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Response by nyc10022
almost 17 years ago
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That you specifically chose one of the infrequent posts not about a topic but about a person might have hinted to you what you were walking into...
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Response by beatyerputz
almost 17 years ago
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Still waiting for SteveF to tell us about the properties that he's been trying to sell for... how long now?
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Response by nyc10022
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I'm sure its the same day he said there would be a "stampede". So, about 16 months ago?
How's that working out for you, Steve...
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Response by beatyerputz
almost 17 years ago
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Just wanted to ask SteveF for his guess as to why he hasn't yet sold his properties.
preaching for a genocide of the NYC middle class?
man, you are sick stevef. first hitler, then milosevic, whoever is in charge in darfur and now you.
hey beatyerp--thanks for taking the time to articulate a proper response to this moron
Steve F..I work on wall st and I take the good with the bad like a man.I dont cry. I got busted out in the last bear market and was unemployed for 6 months and had to recreate myself. ill do it again if necessary. Thats what I notice about RE people..seems like they cant hang when the goin gets tough. bunch of pu$$ies
sniper - I am not sure anyone is in charge in Darfur. Although, I think RE is pretty cheap there.
Thanks beatyerputz. That BS called for a response and best done in a new thread. The other part of it is the hypocrisy of those who pumped the market up and bear some responsibility for the damage that has followed now trying to pin the blame on those who have zero culpability for the current situation. Unbelievable.
"- You complain about other people being "self-centered" or self-interested. DUDE, YOU ARE THE ONE WHO OWNS MULTIPLE APARTMENTS IN NYC AND IS TRYING TO SELL THEM. How are you not self-interested? That is the entire reason why you post."
LOL.
Is anyone surprised that the dumbest posts are also usually the most hypocritical?
maltus: "those who pumped the market up and bear some responsibility for the damage that has followed".
How? Because they bought? Or what?
I think he's talking about folks who promoted and profited from the frenzy. Developers, brokers, etc.
Then he should be more specific.
By the way, the going theory is that something is worth only what people are willing to pay for it. Hence a "frenzy" is not enforcible. People were willing to pay. Nobody held a gun to anyone's head.
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"By the way, the going theory is that something is worth only what people are willing to pay for it. Hence a "frenzy" is not enforcible."
I assume you mean enforceable? What "enforcement" would you be talking about?
"People were willing to pay. Nobody held a gun to anyone's head."
Well, in a certain sense, some folks did have guns held to their head. Check out some of the documented cases - terms were changed at last minute, etc. There was some bait and switch going on, and when it happens at closing, that can be a gun to someone's head.
But lets leave that aside.
Yes, many folks were willing to pay, and this was a mistake. They are responsible, absolutely. But, I also find the people who lied to them responsible as well. They paid folks for advice, and bad advice was given. Buyers are still responsible, but I believe this should be something brokers can lose their license over.
And, more importantly, yes, its still their fault.
What you seem to be missing is... some of the folks who made the mistake are now here trying to shill.
Because they lost a lot of money for having gotten shilled, they've turned into shills themselves.
You got sold snake oil, and now you're trying to resell it to some sucker to get your money back.
That doesn't make you a good human. It doesn't make you any better than the original shill.
And, complaining that the folks who didn't buy the snake oil are at fault... well, thats just stupid.
What about people who bought, paying whatever they paid, and now are NOT selling and just enjoying their homes? Did they, in your opinion, also contributed to the frenzy? After all, they did keep the prices up?
go go go beatie... :)
"What about people who bought, paying whatever they paid, and now are NOT selling and just enjoying their homes? Did they, in your opinion, also contributed to the frenzy? After all, they did keep the prices up?"
They were part of the market, of course. But, if they are enjoying their homes, they're not on this board rationalizing, are they?
Sorry I was not more specific but nyc seems to have gotten my point. I didn't think anyone would confuse "pumping up" the market with buying. I'm not really sure what the enforcability issue is all about though.
Agreed. I think someone was just a little touchy.
You are right, all of you.
It's so easy misread a poster and label someone offhandedly. Touchy this, or bitter that. Whatever.
I started reading/posting on SE awhile back, hoping to get involved in RE as home conversations.
I was wrong. At this point I'd rather remove myself from this "forum".
stakan, if this forum has nothing to offer you, then so be it. a thick skin is certainly needed here, under certain circumstances. you certainly, like others, can focus on the threads that "are RE as home conversations." whatever that may mean to you.
That you specifically chose one of the infrequent posts not about a topic but about a person might have hinted to you what you were walking into...
Still waiting for SteveF to tell us about the properties that he's been trying to sell for... how long now?
I'm sure its the same day he said there would be a "stampede". So, about 16 months ago?
How's that working out for you, Steve...
Just wanted to ask SteveF for his guess as to why he hasn't yet sold his properties.
Does anyone else care to speculate as to why?
No bids at 2007 prices?