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The Year of Magical Thinking?

Started by cherrywood
almost 17 years ago
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One of my partners said yesterday that we are going to call this phase the "extend and pretend" phase in our economy. Which is you extend someone's maturity - because they are going to default - and you pretend that business will come back or that leverage factor is going to come back. Then we'll enter phase two, which he said is the request to extend or "amend". Then "send". In other words send the keys. That is the phases we are in right now. Everyone is trying to buy time, as opposed to dealing with the leverage, they are trying to buy time. Whether you are a banker or a company, they are all trying to buy time. I don't see the leverage coming back, and I don't see the consumption of good and services coming back. Bryan Marsal, CEO of Lehman Brothers Holdings.
Response by ab_11218
almost 17 years ago
Posts: 2017
Member since: May 2009

if he had a brain, he would have left Lehman before it went under.

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Response by ord
almost 17 years ago
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Marsal was brought on board after Lehman collapsed to wind down the remaining business. He's a turnaround and restructuring specialist.

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Response by ord
almost 17 years ago
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cherrywood, if we could equate this market to the 7 stages of grief, I think we are in the bargaining stage right now.

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Response by 30yrs_RE_20_in_REO
almost 17 years ago
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a) I agree wholeheartedly with Marsal
b) I disagree with ord: I think we are somwhere between "SHOCK & DENIAL" and "PAIN & GUILT", although we are seeing a bunch of "ANGER" thrown in, I don't think it's because we've actually graduated to the "ANGER & BARGAINING" stage... people can get angry at any of the 7 stages and often do.

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Response by manhattanfox
almost 17 years ago
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while I am bearish in this market, I find it a bit self serving for the owner of a restructuring firm to be pushing this agenda....

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Response by falcogold1
almost 17 years ago
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I'm at the phase where all I want to do is sleep and be left alone but, the RE market wants to cuddle.

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Response by ericho75
almost 17 years ago
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The worst is behind us. The system still have some residual 'goodies' to digest. In all, recovery have started.

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Response by notadmin
almost 17 years ago
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Member since: Jul 2008

a) I agree wholeheartedly with Marsal

me too. i saw him and there was no agenda. just a description of reality as the guy sees it. whether he is right, only time will tell.

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Response by columbiacounty
almost 17 years ago
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Member since: Jan 2009

of course he's right. what happened to the famous toxic assets? nothing. they're still there ticking away. when the history of this period is written, everyone will wonder how that fact remained so conveniently ignored so what will seem like a relatively long period of time.

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Response by ericho75
almost 17 years ago
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Those toxic asset went down with Lehman and Bear Sterns. The rest continues to sit in the books with massive mark downs.

Again, the road to recovery will be long.....

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Response by notadmin
almost 17 years ago
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widespread defaults & bankruptcies (individual and corporate) are just beginning. so far we've only seen subprime and a couple of already bankrupt companies formally go under (like gm).

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Response by columbiacounty
almost 17 years ago
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"The worst is behind us. The system still have some residual 'goodies' to digest. In all, recovery have started."

"Again, the road to recovery will be long....."

hey--are you a speechwriter for geithner? which is it? and don't tell me its both.

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Response by 30yrs_RE_20_in_REO
almost 17 years ago
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Member since: Mar 2009

The Sub-prime "crisis" was the tip of the iceberg.

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