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U.S. Home Prices Rise for First Time in Three Years

Started by iamlooking
almost 17 years ago
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http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=20601087&sid=a4rqj8I0fm8w July 28 (Bloomberg) -- Home prices posted their first monthly gain in three years in May, a gauge of values in 20 major U.S. cities showed, reinforcing signs of stabilization in a market hammered by the worst slump since the 1930s. The S&P/Case-Shiller home-price index rose 0.5 percent from April, the first monthly gain since... [more]
Response by petrfitz
almost 17 years ago
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OOPS!

all you market timers just missed the bottom! and you now have lost money...........

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Response by aboutready
almost 17 years ago
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http://www.calculatedriskblog.com/2009/07/case-shiller-prices-fall-in-may.html

Prices fell slightly in May (compared to April) for the Composite 10 and Composite 20 indexes.

Seasonally adjusted, prices fell in 12 of the 20 Case Shiller cities.

There is a strong seasonal pattern to house prices, and it is important to use the SA data. Unfortunately Case-Shiller did not release the SA data earlier this morning. This has lead to numerous incorrect headlines about prices increasing from April to May. That is correct, if they mention the data is Not Seasonally Adjusted.

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Response by The_President
almost 17 years ago
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Response by iamlooking
almost 17 years ago
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New York region had a small 0.0176% increase

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Response by The_President
almost 17 years ago
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perhaps this is the beginning of the bottom? 1 month to month change obvivously can't signal a bottom, but if we see another 2 months of the same trend, it will be hard to argue that there is no bottom.

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Response by marco_m
almost 17 years ago
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maybe a nationwide bottom is starting to form. NYC is getting worse no doubt.

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Response by The_President
almost 17 years ago
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does anyone know by how much the NY index fell when seasonally adjusted? And why are prices seasonally adjusted any way? I don't see the merit in adjusting them based on the season.

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Response by bhh
almost 17 years ago
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If anyone heard the interview with Karl Case on Bloomberg this morning , he was far from bullish.

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Response by steveF
almost 17 years ago
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marco_m says
maybe a nationwide bottom is starting to form. NYC is getting worse no doubt

Does this look like it's getting worse? NYC is getting better no doubt.

http://www.urbandigs.com/charts.html

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Response by steveF
almost 17 years ago
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and that red total inventory line should extend DOWNWARD alot further....

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Response by steveF
almost 17 years ago
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Unfortunately financial bears out there are more welcome by the media so they will get more airtime. Negativity arouses worry, which attracts more listeners than good news does. So even Bloomberg takes advantage of this. It's all about the bucks bhh.

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Response by stevejhx
almost 17 years ago
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Case-Shiller doesn't include apartments. Ergo, no conclusion can be drawn on Manhattan.

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Response by tenemental
almost 17 years ago
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steveF, in the past 30 days UrbanDigs shows:

New Listings 1,425
Contracts Signed 919

So some people pulled their apartments. How many are likely to relist after the summer doldrums are past? How is adding 55% more units than were purchased bullish for NYC RE?

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Response by johngalt1945
almost 17 years ago
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Lol. For all the owners looking for crumbs, this one isn't even a crumb...it's more like a poppy seed. If you analyze the data, you'll quickly find that the 20 city index was skewed by several outliers.

However, if you believe that the market is stabilizing - despite the fact that the largest wave of ARM resets still have NOT occurred (that will happen mid-2010) - and Manhattan is in line with the rest of the country, and will follow the trends, then you would have to conclude that Manhattan still has 15%-20% declines yet to come before it stabilizes.

It's easy to post a headline, but a bit more painful to post the facts behind it. I can appreciate that owners/ sellers are looking for any glimmer of hope, but with:

- Underemployment at 20%
- The latest Consumer Confidence level falling from the previous month
- Banks and mortgage lenders back to the same old tricks
- A health care tax that will hit Manhattan residents particularly hard
- 11,000 new Condo units coming on line in the next 12-18 months
- Declining rents
- Tighter credit

I can go on, but I think it's pretty clear that the only fools out there would be those buying now as opposed to waiting.

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Response by bhh
almost 17 years ago
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Karl Case as in >>CASE<

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