East of B?

mostly just Ave A. Going from A to D is similar to exponential deterioration...until you reach the housing projects on D.

They even have a song :

Ave A for Adventurous
Ave B for Brave
Ave C for Crazy
Ave D for Dead

plus, for those deep in Alphabet City, none of the 3 subway stops is any close by : 14/1 (L), Astor Place (6), or Houston/2 (F/V)

but i guess if u're willing to put up with M8, M14A or M14D buses, then you can really get some *relatively* cheap rent.

The deepest point (7th St / Ave D) is about 0.9 miles to any of those 3 subway stops mentioned above (according to Google Maps), which is about 20-25 min walk when you include traffic lights.

I live between Avenue C and Avenue D and think its pretty good area. There are a number of great bars on C as well as pretty good restaurants. walking distance to LES proper, rest of East Village. I would still not walk on Avenue D at night and walking to East River Park even during the day kinda sucks b/c you have to walk through the projects. I walk down Houston. But to say that East of B is somehow bad is a truly incoherent ridiculous statement. There are multi million condos and coops b/w B and C TODAY. the Christodorou is on B and is the priciest bldg (or one of them) in the EVil. and there are even million+ units b/w C and D and especially on C. Problem is there are so many HDFC units on C and D and therebetween.

As for subways, I walk to the JMZ on Essex, like a 10 minute walk. Not a problem. Would I stay here long term? don't know, but then I am not particularly fond of the rest of the east village.

Oh, and ## 1 and 2, no one calls it "Alphabet City" anymore.

No more "Alphabet City"? That's kind of sad actually. What is the proper term for the neighborhood now? To call it the East Village just sounds too vague, though I suppose it is more like the East Village actually was 10 years ago.

Its the East Village guy. The old East Village was basically Cooper Square and St. Marks Place. You thought that was better? What is now the East Village used to be the Lower East Side (including "Alphabet City"). Basically, that entire area below 14th Street, including the current LES, used to be considered the LES. Avenue D is the only remaining shithole (apart from the, again, HDFC buildings, but those are being vacated and infiltrated by NYU kids, europeans, etc...) The Avenue D projects'll soon be like Stuytown used to be. Also like the projects b/w 6th and 5th and A and 1st Avenue used to be.

I remember just a few years ago, probably in like 1999, the Key Food on 5th and A used to be disgusting, kind of how the Fine Fare on C and 4th Street is now. Now that Key Food is all hipster, yuppie types, they have flower beds out front, carry organic shit... The Fine Fare is starting to change too. There's something called a "Pioneer" (supermarket) on D which is truly scary.

But believe me, Avenue C, particularly b/w say 2nd and 10th is hot.

What the hell is a hipster?

you

A "hipster" is a name for largely NYU (though not exclusively) kids and recent grads who infiltrated the East Village and LES, Williamsburg and wear bright colored sneakers, pay $75 for haircuts you and I wouldn't pay $5 for and exclusively wear clothing they find in 'vintage' shops (which such clothing is picked up by said 'vintage shops' from army surplus and goodwill). Hipsters disdain you and me because we have jobs and because we are usurping their neighborhood which they usurped from low income folks, generally through squatting and handouts from their parents in Alpine, New Jersey. Hipsters do not know how to cook, sew, vacuum or any other domestic art, nor do they care to learn and believe that anyone who does is retarded. Hipsters do not believe in perfume, soap, shaving or manners. Their sole purpose in life is to hate yuppies, get high and text message each other.

Actually I think most "histers" are today's yuppies. They are college grads who earn a decent living but don't want to associate with the "yuppie" sterotype.

So hipsters are a NYC/Manhattan phenomenom......or more broader and countrywide?

#12 I think you will get varying answers to your question (and they are all probably correct, at least partly).

I think they are a NYC phenomenon. They may not work in finance or banking, but they are college educated people who may work in Media, advertising, entertainment, human resourses, etc. Due to their artsy nature/youth (whatever) they don't want to think of themselves as a yuppie so they make yuppies their enemies as they gentrify neighborhoods yet talk about how gentrification is killing NY.

Is their a particular fashion style associated with hipsters? How about the musice they listen too?

#13--You are so right. Hipsters ARE gentrification and they're so clueless they don't even know it.

#14--Go on Curbed.com and there is a link somewhere to a Gawker.com test to see if you are a hipster. I failed miserably. Basically, they listen to groups I've never heard of (probably b/c I'm in my mid-30s (hey--i still think Pearl Jam is cool) and wear Chuck Taylors. They're alos very technologically saavy, but extremely self centered and rude, IMHO.

To be a hipster:

Wear low ... Wear low ... Wear low ... expensive skinny jeans

Bed Hoes ... Bed hoes .... Bed hoes ... that you meet in bars on Avenue C

And rent! Rent! Rent! It's very un-hipstery to purchase real estate.

#17--Avenue C bars have B+T chicks who do NOT go for hipsters. More like Avenue B and Avenue A.