New York Beats London as 'World's Best City'

http://www.nytimes.com/aponline/2009/09/11/us/AP-US-Obit-Oldest-Person.html?hp

Totally different cities. London is a city of villages. Due to the layout, it can take a long time
to traverse short distances. It's low-rise vs. high-rise (residential). Different culture, I could go on and on.

I can say that I would be very happy living on a square close to the Sloane Square end of Chelsea or South Ken by the park (or South Ken closer to Notting Hill). Same school issues as NYC, but more private options. We could retire there because of the NHS, maligned there though it may be and if we lived there long enough, we could get an LPR and resident tuition at universities for our children.

I did live in South Kensington for many years. Completely different city, indeed. Summer weather much like today's. Not much night life after 11 pm. No all-night transport.

But lots of peace and quiet.

I don't find them to be such different cities, really. Their weather patterns have changed for the sunnier, although milder at the year-round extremes than NY. Nightlife goes on nonstop for days and days (Brits fancy drugs), very much unlike NY these days. Tube shuts down, but night buses run all night and generally go where you want to go. Their state schools are even worse than our public schools, and their private schools are widely expected to become worse with new tax policies that have just been implemented. I hate all those West London neighborhoods like S. Ken and Knightsbridge and Chelsea and even Notting Hill -- American ghettos that feel like dry rot. And Londoners love to tell the tale of separate villages that have grown together as if it's something unique, but really that's the story of every major city in the world -- certainly NYC. But low-rise it is ... they have the commuting patience of saints.

The best state schools are FAR better and more numerous than the best public schools in NYC. However, what constitutes "in zone" or "in catchment" is a logistical nightmare, and capping has already happened so people are quite often shut out of more than 1 good local state school. It also depends on what you mean by state - as many COE schools are considered "state" schools but being a member of the local parish gives you an edge. Private schools are plentiful, though they may become more expensive and the tuition fees can be quite reasonable (as private schools include former grammar schools).

And my point is, the villages haven't grown together the way they have in NYC - so it's a considerable distance from the epicenter (aka high street) of each village to the other. Knightsbridge/Chelsea/Ken axis of evil excluded.

I think the food options are much better in NY too. You can find some very good restaurants in London, but for the mid-range and casual-type places, the food in London is generally not very good, while NY can be great.

agreed

my mis-read... i thought NYC came on top in a yanker contest... carry on.

nyc10023, I'm a little bit confused about what you are saying about the different hoods (villages) vis a vis distance. There are areas that seem to take a while by tube (Islington to Kensington for example) to get to when they are very close - but by foot they are very quick to get to. This is what I thought you were referring to when you mentioned taking a long time to traverse short distances.
Then you mentioned that some areas are a considerable distance.

I tend to think of London (where I was before coming to nyc) as very walkable until you need to get to Clapham, Hampstead, etc. let alone Wimbledon, and I would think this relates to a lot of Manhattan with similar distances for the walkable aspect, and Brooklyn, upper Manhatten, etc. relating to Mill Hill, Wimbledon etc.

Of the various cities that I have experienced London and nyc felt the closest.

As for schools, the state schools in london, at least in my time, were seen as universally bad compared to most of the rest of the country but they may be better than most nyc public schools. I used to have strong opinions on the British vs US school systems but my views have somewhat tempered so I won't bother going down that route.

One thing I will say though that according to family memebers in England, standards have been tremendously relaxed for GCSE qualifications and many people think that the British school system is deteriorating.

Divvie: I'm conflating 2 issues (places close to each other but take a while by tub) and "villages" that border each other but have considerable distance between village cores (Fulham-Chelsea, Putney-Clapham). When I visit, I feel that each area is distinct and "far away" from each other compared to say UES-UWS or UWS-midtown or UWS-downtown. Maybe it's the easy subway/transport access & availability of taxis.

I'm a product of a British-style education, so I am far from objective. If you take London (include places like Sheen, etc. ) and count up all the state schools that are considered desirable and worth a RE premium ala PS 234 et al. (including the COE and RC schools), the number of schools considered desirable by the middle class is greater than NYC.

GCSE O-level Add Math questions from 25+ years ago (eeks, I'm old) don't seem different from Add Math questions today. Maybe it's better prepping. I dunno.

"I hate all those West London neighborhoods like S. Ken and Knightsbridge and Chelsea and even Notting Hill -- American ghettos that feel like dry rot."

I disagree, but there will always be people that like alanhart that prefer places like Elephant and Castle......

Divvie: what is the situation at PS234 with the waitlist? Did everyone who lives in the zone & wanted a spot get in for K?

I don't love S. Ken or Knightsbridge. I would live in S. Ken for proximity to park, services. I can't help but like Chelsea, though it's been mall-ified.

NY beats the sh*t out of London.

biggest challenge is when they say, 'Is that your brelli?" you don't laugh in their face.
AS you know I'm that kind of bloke.
Gob smacked I am...governor.

I will say one thing for english people...they can eat some pretty shitty food with out complaining.

NY is not better than London. YOU LIE! In London, you get free Socialized medicine.

Indian food is better in London

I have a sibling living there, and I've probably spent 6 months there in total myself.
Food USED to suck horribly, but they've had incredible improvements in the last 10 years.
Many other similarities, both cities filled mostly with non-natives. More like each other than each is with other cities in the countries, I believe. And cool things that show up in one, show up in the other usually fair shortly.

I think the biggest difference BY FAR though is...
social mobility.

Its a fairly common NY story to have someone who went to public school, lower middle class, go to an ivy and then make $5mil or $10 mil at an ibank (ok, maybe not this year) and then get themselves into the money class. This represents a large chunk of my friends from college.

Such a move is apparently much less frequent in the UK system. It seems to be related to schooling, needing money to go to a top banking/etc. feeder school, salaries not being quite as crazy, and real estate being very expensive (that even yuppies often can't buy in). The latter might also have something to do with there simply being fewer small apartments in the center of town, unlike the US.

There are just some of the factors that have been noted to me, there could be more, but I've just seen that pattern. I think that manifests itself in a lot of ways into the culture.

> Indian food is better in London

I found it spicier on average, but not really better. Brick road is more touristy than curry hill or first ave, but its the same shlocky stuff. I never really found anything that compared to 58th street in Manhattan (the higher end stuff).

Now, it is much more plentiful there. And their little dinky towns have good versions of it (and I would never eat Indian in new jersey).

But I expected the huge indian population to help make it awesome, but maybe the lack of competition from other good ethnic just never gave it a good kick in the pants.

and, how could I leave out going to queens.... maybe there was some secret hideout of awesome indian i missed back in the 'burbs of london, but I never really saw it.

Poor Rufus.

"New York Beats London as 'World's Best City'"

Well, duh.

nyc10022 wrote: "I think the biggest difference BY FAR though is...social mobility."

All studies indicate that there is now very little difference in social mobility when comparing the U.S. and the U.K. Schools in the U.S. are divided by class. The public schools aren't really "open to the public" because the best ones are in areas with high property taxes and parents must be able to afford to buy a house in those neighborhoods for their kids to be enrolled. In places with relatively low property taxes (like New York City), the school systems as a whole are bad and affluent parents send their kids to private schools. The public schools with a high tax base and affluent private schools serve as feeders to elite colleges which feed high paying professions. I don't know what circles you run in but even among Ivy grads, multimillion dollar salaries are off the chart exceptions, not a commonality, and you can find such exceptions in the U.K. though not as extreme as in U.S. The large wage inequality in the U.S. actually perpetuates the lack of social mobility. Moreover, the U.S. on the other hand has a large population mired in a multigenerational socioeconomic 'underclass' which keeps the country rated among the lower ranks in the Western industrialized world when it comes to social mobility.

Candy brothers!

Extremely few middle to lower middle class people I know went to Ivy or Ivy-level college. Studies have shown that family wealth is a huge factor in attending an Ivy.

London is not even the center of business in Europe of course it cant be compared to NYC.

and they need to invest in some dental schools or smething

LICC, wrong again. top ivies are one of the few places you have had needs-blind admissions.

Seldom right and wrong again aboutready. The top ivies, and the system in general, filters out the low and mid-income students through other financial and cultural profiles without looking directly at family income. See this from recent Berkeley research:

On issues of affordability and access, foreign as well as many US observers of American higher education often fail to disaggregate its network of colleges and universities. We tracked the presence of low-income students among a group of 32 public and private selective higher education institutions, including the eight Ivy League institutions and flagship state universities. With some key caveats, public universities are generally much more accessible to low-income students%u2014despite the claims of private institutions that they effectively provide generous discounts in tuition rates and financial aid.

A stark difference exists between the East Coast Ivy League and the University of California (UC)%u2014the latter with some 180,000 undergraduates, the nation%u2019s largest and arguably most prestigious public research university system. Collectively, only 11 percent of students in the Ivy League are low income compared to 31 percent in the UC system. The UC campuses of Berkeley, Davis, and Los Angeles each have more Pell Grant students than all the 8 Ivy League institutions combined. Cultural, demographic, and regional differences partly explain why selective private institutions have relatively small numbers of low-income students, in addition to generally much lower tuition among public institutions and the greater availability of financial aid relative to cost.

One food area where London beats the living sh!t out of NY is the quality of the produce in the food markets. I lived in London before I moved here, and I was shocked at the poor quality of the fruit and vegetables in places like Fairway, Citarella, etc. Throw in the cost of the food in the markets here and it really is a shame
Social mobility is the same in the US and UK (most studies put the the two countries at the bottom of the OECD in this category), the main difference is that Brits are obsessed with class, while Americans pretend to themselves that it is not an issue

I'll attempt to play mediator and say that aboutready and LICC both make valid points that are not in conflict. aboutready is correct because most (though not all) Ivies have replaced loans with grants as part of financial aid package for low to middle class class families. It makes a big difference to a grad who will now be free to pursue different life/career options (e.g., peace corps, CBOs, etc.) without being burdened with heavy debt upon graduation. LICC is correct in that states with strong university systems (e.g., California, Michigan, Wisconsin), these campuses have greater income diversity which provides class mobility for a larger student body population. However, as states have cut back funding for higher education, low and middle income family students are bearing an increasing portion of the costs and carrying a heavier debt load upon graduation from state universities. 25 years ago, a student could attend Berkeley or UCLA paying relatively little tuition and graduating with little or no debt. Today, a student in California from a family with an income of $60,000 would probably get a better financial aid package from Yale or Penn than s/he would receive from Cal or UCLA.

Agreed HDLC, but the point still stands that for the vast majority of lower and lower-middle income students, the Ivies are just not an option, no matter how smart or how good of a student they are. The Ivies use other profiles or filters to fill their incoming classes. One example is that the Ivies will be sure to fill a percentage of their incoming classes from feeder schools that are very expensive that for the most part only the children of wealthy families can attend (Andover, Exeter, etc.).
Also, chilren of wealthier families are more likely to take SAT prep courses and tutoring. Less than 20 percent of test takers take private courses or tutoring, and very wealty high schools incorporate it into their curriculum. According to a recent Ohio State University study:

Students from higher-income families are the ones most likely to use SAT preparation tools such as classes and tutors, which gives them an advantage in getting into college, a new study suggests.

“SAT prep tools have become a tool of advantaged families to ensure that their children stay ahead in the competition for college admissions,” said Claudia Buchmann, co-author of the study . . .
Results showed that students from less-advantaged families – those with lower family incomes, and with parents who have less education and lower-level jobs -- were less likely to use any form of test preparation. But the findings were particularly strong for the two types of preparation that did the most to boost scores -- private classes and tutoring. “That's not surprising given the substantial expense for most test preparation classes and tutoring,” Buchmann said.

The finding that poorer students were significantly less likely to use test prep held true even though the researchers took into account other factors that may have affected the use of these services, such as family educational expectations, previous academic achievement, number of siblings, and whether the students lived in a one-parent household.

“The findings clearly show that children from advantaged families are the ones who are getting the best SAT test preparation, the kind that pays off with significantly higher scores,” Buchmann said.

Results from the study also showed that higher SAT scores were linked to higher rates of college enrollment, and particularly higher levels of enrollment in the more highly selective colleges.

"Its a fairly common NY story to have someone who went to public school, lower middle class, go to an ivy and then make $5mil or $10 mil at an ibank (ok, maybe not this year) and then get themselves into the money class. This represents a large chunk of my friends from college."

Somehow I am guessing this is not the 'common NY story'...

I paid less to go ivy than i would have paid for the university of washington. and i graduated in the mid-80s. my roommate received money from the school, on top of having everything paid for. my school bent over backwards to enroll an incredibly diverse student body, on all levels.

i think the number one feeder school my year was stuyvesant.

Less than 11% of Ivy Leaguers come from households earning $40,000 or less. aboutready can talk about her and her college roomate all she wants, it doesn't change the facts, as shown by people who have actually done research and studies on this. Ivies have far less of a percentage of their students from low and middle-low income families than other universities.

You do realize that the median household income is $50k? Your statistics and analysis suck, and we've been down that path before.

The Washington Monthly ranks colleges based on the following: 1) how well it performs as an engine of social mobility (ideally helping the poor to get rich rather than the very rich to get very, very rich); 2) how well it does in fostering scientific and humanistic research; and 3) and how well it promotes an ethic of service to country.

You can see their rankings here which can be broken down by individual criterion:
http://www.washingtonmonthly.com/college_guide/toc_2009.php

Thanks for another meaningless post aboutready. I have been saying that the Ivies are practically unattainable (with some obvious minimal exceptions) for students in low and low-middle income households. $50k and above is middle income and above. $40k and below is low-middle and low income. Do I have to explain to you how a bell curve works? As for your "Your argument sucks" rebuttal, did they teach you that one at Harvard or whichever Ivy you attended?

I think the problem for many qualified poor students is that they are just UNAWARE of available opportunities. For every Sonia Sotomayor, there are many other students at or near the top of their classes in poor areas who just have not heard of the Ivy League, and even those with some vague knowledge, most generally assume that they 'can't' go there because of costs. If it's not a feeder school like Stuyvesant or Boston Latin or Philly's Girls High, then guidance counselors don't assist poorer students with curriculum requirements, the earlier admission deadlines, and other application processes required of top tier schools. The Ivy Presidents have actually been staunch defenders of affirmative action. However, the problem is getting the word out that those who are from modest economic backgrounds, yet adequately prepared, actually have a good chance at admission with financial aid. I've known a number of successful professionals who had excellent academic careers at "lesser schools," and when asked why they didn't go Ivy, I was told because in the communities where they grew up going to college just meant going to "a" college and they didn't know the distinctions among universities until later.

no i learned that at the very bad public high school i went to. the one where the counselors told me not to bother to apply to an ivy league school, because i'd never get in, despite being a national merit scholar, on the community planning board, being top 5%, and winning dozens of public speaking awards.

do the numbers. how many kids don't graduate from high school? don't apply to college, or attend local community and state colleges for perceived financial reasons? changes your curve a bit, doesn't it?

the top colleges can't hope fully to redress the inequalities caused by our primary school system. but many of them make a damn good effort trying. where did you go, licc?

they suggested that i apply to william and mary, because the campus was "pretty."

Licc. Hate to tell you this, but it's actually just as hard for a 'rich' person's kid to get into an ivy.

Sorry aboutready, just saw your email from 9-2-09. My bad will get bqck you asap. : )

Getting back to comparing London and New York, I've lived in both and own apartments in both places. I used to be more of a London fan but have gone sour on it. London is horribly expensive. Everything is overpriced from food to lodging and transportation to buying a flat. Every time I need to buy something or get work done on my London flat, I shudder or start laughing hysterically because workmen give quotes without bothering to come out to look at the project. They also cheat you blind (if they show up at all and/or finish the job). They make NY contractors look like the most honest people in the world. But all business transactions are 10x more difficult in London. People expect bad service and usually get it.

Aboutready- you forget that back in the 80's, and even now, colleges really like to have "geographic distribution". Tons of National Merit scholars from NY, not so many from where you came from? I always laughingly suggested to my friends that they move to Kansas or Wyoming (or Pittsburgh?)if they really wanted to give their kids the best chance of getting into a top school

And was it West Virginia?

As someone who spent time in at least 12 country capitals in the last 12 months, NYC is the tops by far. London poses too many challenges for living. I would even put Paris higher, if I had to choose a European capital. There is more diversity in London now, but for decades the only decent food was Indian and some Chinese. NYC is amazing for food choice and restaurant value. Nothing else comes close.
Education is a more subjective issue.
If your means far exceed your spending ability then I suppose any place will be incredibly fine, but in the usual constrained situation, a place like London does not compare with NYC, even though NYC is the most expensive city in the US in terms of many measures.

Aboutready - as someone who is obviousoly very concerned with their child's chances in the world - would you move back to West Virginia ( or Pittsburgh) to give her a leg up?

ph41, you don't get me at all. my daughter would like to go to risde. she's too young to make that decision, but i feel that there are a ton of schools that would be appropriate for her. and you'd be surprised at how few of the kids at some of the very top schools in NYC are national merit. at my ivy the legacies had a lower percentage acceptance rate than the non-legacies, and 60% came from public schools. would i put my daughter now in public school here or elsewhere? no. she is doing extremely well in her hothouse environment, and seems to be evolving quite well. were things to change, i'd reconsider.

the husband was in the west virginia school system, father career military, and went to one of the top feeder schools for high school (parents inherited money and could afford it) and then to an ivy. i come from the pacific northwest.

i didn't need the ivy for the education, although it was very good. i needed it for the social mobility, it was my opportunity to get out of an environment where nobody graduated from high school, and to have it largely paid for, my father made $20,000 a year in the early 1980s and couldn't afford to send me to pomona or whitman or reed, etc. my daughter doesn't need the mobility, and we can afford to pay. my husband and i have four older nieces and nephews, all older than 18, in the pittsburgh and tacoma areas. one went to college (WVU) and dropped out, the other three didn't even try. my brother didn't graduate from high school but his wife graduated from college, and my husband's sibling and her husband both graduated from college.

I wasm't talking legacies - I was talking diversity - ((very different) and from what our are saying, you needed it for more than social mobility - nice way to put it - yes, you needed it for education, and you used it for social mobilty;, very smart, you're married to the lawyer - as in the MRS degree!!

And you would kill if antyoe said to your daughter go for an 'MRS degree" - you got out of there, and yes of course you want your daughter to have the mobility (and yes, she needs it), otherwise, she could sink back down without your pushing her. Right, you want her to go to RISD, after your striving!!
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w67, that has to be one of the dumbest comments I have seen here in a while. You really think that it is "just as hard" for a student who grew up in a wealthy family to get into an Ivy than a student who grew up in a low-income family? Really? I'm glad that now I know you live in a fantasy world.

about raady - you are really sensitive about your "accomplishments" ;yes, NY is much more competitive than where you grew up - yes, I was valedictorian of my high school, and in NY that is much harder than your top 5% in nowherewsville USA.

ph41, have you been imbibing? you do realize that the great achievers generally don't come from the ivies? and i paid for 100% of that JD?

and if she goes for the mrs degree, which sadly i have found myself trapped in, i hope she'll realize that her worth transcends what she does in terms of a career. and that life throws you curveballs that you can't expect. and that you encounter total bitches like yourself once in awhile, but it really shouldn't affect how you view yourself.

Like that term "social mobility" - upward striving? Couldn't meet an appropriate mate any other way?

YOU ARE REALLY TOUCHY, AREN'T YOU? AND YOU DIDN'T PAY FOR THE UNDEGRAD., OMG, YOU ARE TRAPPED IN THE MRS DEGREE (have you told your husband that's how you see it?

you're out of you're fucking mind. really, i should have been happy to stay in an environment where nobody graduated from high school, where the top 10% of the class (550 or so, whittled down to about 480 from arrests, pregnancies, etc.) largely got their grades from home ec assistant?

ph41, if you truly were valedictorian, then you would feel absolutely no threat from me. and my top one half of one percent sat scores cross all geographical lines. god you're a bitch.

my husband knows exactly how i see it. we are best friends. we love each other tremendously. he values me and everything i do.

sad. ph41. sad.

You are totally no threat to me - I was top SAT's befoe the scores were dumbed down - glad you got out of your total pit of an environment, but please don't think you were truly competing with the best of the best!! Yes, you got some advantages, and, to your credit you used them well - but, please, at least admit that you did get some slack vs. those in very competitive environments (like ny)

And I do not use curse words when I post - guess my background was just a lot better \or more genteel )than yours. )(and my parents were the first to go to college)

you are just so TOUCHYq!! Even you don't believe in your accomplishments = because you are now just makng your career on SE.

sat scores are done on a percentile basis you shrew. it doesn't matter what your score was, it matters what your percentile was.

no i didn't get any slack. i won over sixty awards in public speaking, i was elected to our local planning committee(the only teenager, at 15), i was the editor of our literary magazine, and i was a national merit scholar. ooo, that sounds like preferential treatment by the admissions board. fucking idiot.

Excuse me, in what possible way would you be a threat to me? LOL

Yeah, right when he goes for someone who has a life outside SE.

ph41, i just LOVE it when people show their true personalities on SE. are you carolst?

you are no threat to me...

i don't care to be a threat to you. i don't care about you in the slightest. i care about the people who are really interested in real estate. you're a rabid bitch.

Hmm, maybe I should put you in touch with the builders I know in London. I did a gut reno in London 4 years ago (extension with planning permission required, complete gut of a 2-bedroom house). Price was okay (comparable to NYC), but everything came in on budget and on time, without annoying change orders. Workmanship was excellent.

I find that in London (or SW London) anyway, people tend to be happiest with getting recommendations for builders from neighbors, especially long-term residents (30yrs+).

10023, tomorrow you'll have mail.

ph41, wow, you do seem to be carolst.

we've been married for 20 years. nasty piece of work you are. is your hubby so happy with someone who feels the need to diminish people? or are you single?

Using bad words again - and you have no real interest in real estate - you're in your PCV apartment, pretending to be involved in real estate, and giving really bad advics to those who really do want to buy in this market, while you will rent for the next umpteen years, until your apartment goes to market.

i don't give advics to anybody.

you're a fucktard of the highest level.

aboutready - been married for d30 years - he's Stanford and Wharton, I'm Vassar and Harvard - so what. :You're the one who needs to run people down when you feel challenged - just look at this thread - You just revert to cursing, slurs, etc. Seriously, sorry you feel so insecure in your accompolishments.

fuctkard????? That's what you got from your educztion. Seriously wouod you want your daughter to see any of this?

My husband is now telling me to get off this because he is afraid of the crazies - like youl

actually, ph41, you know that's not in the slightest bit true. but nice attempt at recovery. maybe you read what you wrote and thought, hell, that's not so good?

i actually really and truly care about people. really. you felt it fun to try to demean me for being a stay-at-home mom? you're a bitch of magnificent proprotions.

Yes,I am woman of magnificent proportions - thank you for recognizning that.

I was absolultely not demeaning you for being a stay at home momn - it is just interesting that that is how you read it (yes you are on SE a whole lot)0 again, touched one of your sore points, and that is YOUR sore point

so silly. i don't have a sore point. not in the slightest. i do what i like, what i enjoy. you keep thinking that there is some wound i have that you can probe to make me uncomfortable, and your nasty comments earlier need to be retrieved, over and over again. you shouldn't be free of your actions. in the slightet.

why are you here?

I am here Because i have a brain, and am interested in real estate (as an owner, not a RENTER) in NY.
And yes, you have multiple sore points, and are on this site as a bystander

Ph41: we are all perfectly harmless.

Actually ,if you read some of the threads- not all are perfectly harmless - many are totally vituperative, full of invective, with language which would be considerd unprintable in most major newspapers.

ph41, i'm here as someone who knows a hell of alot about real estate prices. and someone who could afford expensive real estate prices.

sorry you overpaid. or didn't sell early enough to maximize.

i'll repeat, you're a nasty bitch.

Aboutready - seriously, please, show your daughter your postings on SE.

Everyone back off the z words. Those are mine.

Making new friends I see aboutready. ; )

ph41 and aboutready, this reminds of the saying 'millionaires suing billionaires.' consider yourselves smart and accomplished, the question then becomes who's got the bigger boobs/ penis in NYC.

One other thing licc, you dumbtard (whose only best and last decision to buy in licc was only surpassed by his decision to not apply to an ivy bc someone told him there was an income test) - do the math. There are usually 20 to 30 applicants for each chair. So I stand by my prior stmt. Funny enough sometimes it's better to come from the like American Samoa to get into harvard then it is from bx science.

Sometimes if you are a certain minority, it sucks too. How many more bright Indian phds do you need at Columbia? The best chance is like a lesbian/ transsexual from American Samoa via Cambodia with a special skill set necessary for a deficient football team, like Columbia's. Oh Jesus that team sucks.

ph41, you think your postings would be more appropriate to show a teen? really?

my daughter knows me and wouldn't be surprised at my postings at all. it's called honesty.

and it's compassion, and empathy, and all that shit. a four letter word doesn't eliminate the meaning.

yes, i think i should show her a foul entry where someone accused me of being nothing more than an MRS. Bitch.

Ph41: as an owner, are you looking to sell? Are you, like me (an owner), obsessed with RE, floorplans, prices?

About ready = seriously didn't overpay - and never wanted to sell ()yeah give up my palazzo) - and no, you can't afford really good places - please.

w67th Street - Thank you, we probably should back off - but she just gets my back up with her defensiveness. And yes, my 3,000 sf. apartment,wbf, terraces definitely trumps her 1,200 (1,000sf) PCV place.

Have to stop this , it's crzay.

you're talking about my defensiveness? stunning. you have no idea what i can or can't afford.

who the f cares about your terraces etc? except you? we're talking about what's happening now, to prices.

and w67th is on my team.

You can't assume that someone cannot afford something because they don't possess it. You would be VERY surprised to find that the other extreme exists - people who live way under their means and find some sport in doing so.

NYC01123- I am an owner- my husband says he will be carried out of here feet first - but i am obsessed. Now looking for a studio so my husband can have an office to go to when he retires (but, I would like it to have outdoor space so he can smoke a cigar) and it has to be very close to our current apartment (because he is very lazy). Actually looking for something in our building, so he could just take the elevator down. So far no luck...
about ready , didn't call you and MRS. Bitch - just said that's the degree you were looking for , and found. And yes, my postings would be totally more appropriate to show a teen -are you kidding? Show your daughter your postings - you might be surprised at how she reacts - after all, she is now with the upper class in private school. And her mother is posting like a redneck.

really? read what you wrote.

my daughter is very savvy. i would have no troubles at all showing her what i wrote. how would you feel showing your child your sexist crap?

w67th street is "on my team" - you have got to be kidding - that counts for something?

Right, you, Columbia County, W67h Street, it's a circle jerk

ph41, why are u here picking fights? Hmmm another "hurting" broker...soon you'll get tired and leave. Looking forward to it.

Aboutready - so show it to her!!!! I didnt' post any sexist crap.

seriously, tell us after you've shown her all your SE posts how she reacts. But, have to be honest about it.

lord you're dense.

w67th Street - Thank you, we probably should back off - but she just gets my back up with her defensiveness

that was YOU. earlier tonight. i'm actually starting to have some fun with this, so keep it up, bitchface.

Mimi - I am NOT A BROKER - about ready just gets my back up. And you are just a really pathetic acolyte.

And look up the meaning of "acolyte"

well, you get my back up also. and you've been very deceptive.

nasty.

Ask aboutready - she has a good education and she is "on your team"

But watch out, if she doesn't like what you say, she may call you "bitchface' - love those from shit background who go to good schools - how they revert in times of stress.

you're SO nice, ph41. i'm sure everyone reading here thinks you're a model of credibility. truly. consider it.

your 3000 sf apartment? well, everyone can achieve that, that's going to get you SO much compassion on this board, particularly given your shitty attitude toward the common person. so sorry you didn't cash out at the peak. guess you're not THAT smart.

Yes ph41, I am a true ar acolyte, no doubt. I learned a great deal from her. She personally listened to me and helped me figure out certain things. She even gave me a grand piano! Way more than I can expect from an anonymous poster, let alone a useless one like u. AR is one of the most prolific, independent writers in this forum. She posted loads of relevant info that many here greatly appreciate. You'll never add up to nothing, since all you can do is attack. We are used to people like you. They eventually go away. Bye now!