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Placing a value on maintenance costs when purchasing coop

Started by satsu
over 16 years ago
Posts: 49
Member since: Aug 2009
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Is there a rule of thumb for placing a value on maintenance costs when purchasing a coop. Say you have 2 coops that are identical - size, condition, location, etc. - except Apt A is $50k more expensive than Apt B, but Apt B's monthly maintenance is $500 more. How do you value the extra $500 in the purchase price of Apt B? I suppose you can simply figure out how much less you'd have to pay for Apt B so that monthly carrying costs equal Apt A. Is that right? Thanks.
Response by looking2return
over 16 years ago
Posts: 182
Member since: Jan 2009

It depends on many factors such as interest rates, maint. tax deduction, assumptions about future maint. increases, etc. For the buildings that include cable and/or electric in the maint. I also try to account for that.

I roughly estimated $100/mo maint. ~= $25k purchase price for most of the stuff I was looking at.

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Response by tanker
over 16 years ago
Posts: 70
Member since: Jul 2008

satsu - I just did a simple "discounted cash flow" analysis online, and it confirms that looking2return's rule of thumb is reasonable. A $100/month maintenance difference between two identical units, in perpetuity, discounted at 5% = $24k.

The calculation is obviously sensitive to the discount rate you use. A 4% discount rate suggests you should pay $30k, rather than $24k, less for the unit with $100/mo higher maintenance. A 6% discount rate suggests the figure should be only $20k.

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Response by nyc_sport
over 16 years ago
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Member since: Jan 2009

These are good analyses of the value given up in the added maintenance, but you really need to figure out where and to whom that value is going. You need to value the relative size of any cash surplus, as well as any mortgage held by the coops. Are the buildings of similar size? Did one do any significant recent repairs/maintenance that may be looming for the other?

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Response by satsu
over 16 years ago
Posts: 49
Member since: Aug 2009

thanks. this is helpful. obviously, no 2 apartments are 100% identical but its helpful to have a sense of what maintenance is worth. i've run into so many people (and brokers, unfortunately) who only look at purchase price and largely ignore maintenance.

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Response by falcogold1
about 16 years ago
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Member since: Sep 2008

Lets not also forget what you get for the money. A $2000 maintenance in a building with no amenities vs. a the same # with a pool/gym/play room'doorman/etc.. What are the financials of the building? Are there big maintenance projects on the horizon that will cause changes in you monthly costs. How big is the building...large building absorbe cost with less pain (most of the time). See where I'm going with this? I'd begin with the plan above and then put on your wizard had and try to factor in the rest. It's really not that hard.

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Response by 30yrs_RE_20_in_REO
about 16 years ago
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Member since: Mar 2009

The problem is that:
a) it's usually not a linear calculation, and
b) it depends an awful lot if either, both, or neither falls or doesn't fall within what the market "expects" the mtc to be for a such a unit.

For example, if you had 2 one BR units and one had an $1,100 mtc and the other had a $1,600 mtc, I think the difference would be less than if one had a $1,600 mtc and the other a $2,100 mtc.

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