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Bullish on RE? I've got some Nakheel bonds for you.

Started by positivecarry
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They traded as low as 32 today, after trading at 110 earlier in the week. If Abu Dhabi bails them out on Tuesday, you can make a killing. Go ahead SteveF....a whole city can't collapse, can it?
Response by marco_m
about 16 years ago
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are they actual bonds? I thot interest was illegal in that culture?

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Response by positivecarry
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They are actual bonds that lost over 70% of actual value.

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Response by w67thstreet
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Hypocrisy is practiced by all ppls and it's affiliate religion.

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Response by Mpancheri
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In all seriousness and sincerity, how would one go about purchasing these bonds? Is this something that is accessible through things like Scottrade and the like? Any help is appreciated.

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Response by marco_m
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In all seriousness and sincerity, how would one go about purchasing these bonds? Is this something that is accessible through things like Scottrade and the like? Any help is appreciated.

theoretically, a retail broker probably could call up a middle markets desk at a large bank where the sales guy could talk to the EM desk and get some bonds, but I don't think you want to be involved here. it'd be kinda like a nice friendly animal jumping into a pond only to find out its surrounded by pirranha

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Response by w67thstreet
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must be muslim to purchase or you can donate $1 to a muslim charity.... go figure, ya can buy into a "religion"

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Response by positivecarry
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Is that a white knight riding to the rescue?

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Response by positivecarry
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No. No it's not.

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Dubai World’s Debt Not Guaranteed by Government (Update1)

By Zahraa Alkhalisi and Ayesha Daya

Nov. 30 (Bloomberg) -- Dubai’s government said it hasn’t guaranteed the debt of Dubai World, the state-controlled holding company struggling with $59 billion in liabilities, and that creditors must help it restructure.

“The company received financing based on its project schedule, not a government guarantee,” Abdulrahman Al Saleh , director general of the emirate’s Department of Finance, said in an interview with Dubai TV, when asked whether the government was backing the debt. “Lenders should bear part of the responsibility.”

Dubai’s government said Nov. 25 that Dubai World would seek a standstill agreement with creditors and an extension of loan maturities until at least May 30, 2010. The announcement led to the biggest declines in Asian shares in three months last week and Europe’s worst rout since April. Investors were concerned the proposal risks triggering the biggest sovereign default since Argentina in 2001.

Dubai shares tumbled and Abu Dhabi’s stock index today fell the most in at least eight years on the first trading day since the announcement.

Nakheel PJSC, Dubai World’s property unit whose $3.52 billion Islamic bond is due Dec. 14, asked the Nasdaq Dubai stock market today to suspend its securities “until it is in a position to fully inform the market.”

Government Prospectus

“The times of implicit support are clearly over,” said Philipp Lotter, vice-president of Moody’s Investors Service in Dubai. “In the past entities such as Dubai World certainly represented themselves as quasi-government entities, whereas there was no legal obligation on behalf of the government to support, and that has certainly shifted with last week’s announcement.”

In the prospectus for its first Islamic bond sale in October, the government said “certain strategic government- related entities of the emirate have significant borrowings which are not direct obligations of the government of Dubai.” The government raised $1.93 billion from local and international investors in the sale.

“If any of these entities are unable to, or are potentially unable to, fulfill their debt obligations, the Dubai government, although not legally obliged to do so and without any obligation whatsoever, may at its sole discretion decide to extend such support as it may deem suitable,” according to the prospectus.

Lenders “have deemed Dubai World as part of the government and that is not true,” al-Saleh said.

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Response by Honeycrisp
about 16 years ago
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Why not just purchase Shiller's ETF: DMM and go that route? It takes a long position on real estate (from a national perspective) while UMM takes a short position.

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Response by positivecarry
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Honeycrisp,

This was a chance to buy RE bonds that mature this week at 32. The return had the potential to be much better than a national etf. Only for the ballsy/insane.

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Response by Honeycrisp
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Got it :) Thanks for the clarification, positivecarry

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Response by glamma
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look at em go....

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