free market capitalism

because they are fat

After 8 years of European disapproval with us, we decided it was time for the illusion of change.
Slowly Americans are starting to remember why they left Europe as well as other continents and will vote appropriately. We really need to start with the wicked witch of the west. Same with chucky cheese in our own state.
And don't get me wrong, Republicans aren't much better, but they are better.They need to be kept in check or they will leave the lower and lower end middle classes way behind. However they allow the individual entrepreneurs room to escalate their level.
Democrats will tax all the will out of you to grow, drug you with programs, leaving the behemoth companies perpetually in control of market share, in power, and in control.

Because the free market has worked so well... like in heaoth care, banking, etc.

"Republicans aren't much better, but they are better."

Why do you think the Republocrats are better than the Demoicans?

hey socialist, the only reason health care and banking doesn't work the way it should is because the government is involved... think cell phones; if we had universal cell phone laws the phones would cost $2000 each and work like crap...

everything the government touches it ruins

There are both Republican and Democratic examples of Presidents supporting free-trade. Bill Clinton to name a Democrat. Too many policies under Republicans and Democrats are not free-trade. Farm subsidies to agri-interests and military contracts to boeing which subsidize commercial aviation to name two.

Trust me julialg, your government is deeply involved in the telecommunications industry.

lets have universal cell phone care for the senior citizens and the poor need universal cell phone care too i wonder what will happen to price and quality...

So telecommunications is a free market?

Jeez, you have really thought about this issue. Tell me more.

Go ahead, give me an example of a "free market".

"Because the free market has worked so well... like in heaoth care, banking, etc."

Actually, it's OVER-regulation and market manipulation by the Fed that created our economic crisis.

And as for health care, again, it's OVER-regulation and the unchecked growth of the "insurance" infrastructure that has created our health care crisis.

there is no pure free market any more thanks to all you socialist.. there are only degrees of the free market... the more government involvement in the private sector the more expensive and the worse the quality...lets see; teachers union in nyc ; very expensive kids can't think for themselves.. ggeneral motors bankrupt fannie and freddie housing crash etc

Wow -- we've got a room full of Cato Scholars in here (it might not be a joke given some of their work).

I'm sorry that's such a difficult request to give a single example of what you are talking about. I meant -- give me an example of a free market -- anywhere, anytime in history (presumably after the invention of the city-state).

"teachers union in nyc ; very expensive kids can't think for themselves"

Um, the teachers' unions have been in NYC for gnerations. it's only recently that the kids can't think for themselves.

Perhaps it might have something to do with the welfare/entitlement program that encourages inner-city teenagers to give birth out of wedlock and raise children without fathers?

government involvement nycmatt ruins and corrupts

Yes it does.

But don't lay the blame for stupid kids on the steps of the teachers unions. There's only so much teachers can do for kids who are being raised by crack whores.

skinnynsweet america from 1776 to 1913 free market capitalism; america went from nothing to strongest economic power in the world...

Free markets work great. What the gov't needs to do is enforce the laws and protect us from monopolies and oligolopies. If consumers have choices and information and companies can't collude or control pricing on their end the system works.

Democrats and Republicans are both wrong in some respects. Democrats want the gov't in business, and Republicans want a few large companies in business. Neither is free market.

agreed

How about the drug trade? Isn't that an example of capitalism (with the exception of the fact that avoiding law enforcement is a costs of doing business). Product quality control is for shit, employment standards are totally lacking and the lowest level workers take extreme risks for little pay/no benefits. Working conditions are horrendous and their is no taxation of profits to contribute to the common good. Sounds like an uber capitalist's fantasy land. Watch "The Wire". (And btw, one difference between drug operations and traditional 20/21st century organized crime is that through legitimate businesses, unions etc...mob guys at least made sure they and their crews had health insurance.

I'm sorry, I'm not familiar with your brand of crazy: What happened in 1913 that you are referring to? The 16th amendment?

under free market capitalism drugs would be legal

the federal reserve and the income tax 1913

skinnynsweet individual liberty, free market capitalism and the objective rule of law.... that is my brand of crazy... your brand of crazy is a big clunky soviet style welfare state.

"I'm sorry, I'm not familiar with your brand of crazy: What happened in 1913 that you are referring to? The 16th amendment?"

Two things: One, enacting a federal income tax, which until then had actually been ruled UNCONSTITUTIONAL by the U.S. Supreme Court.
Two, the enacting of the Federal Reserve -- a central bank that has been manipulating our financial system for the benefit of wealthy elites.

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"under free market capitalism drugs would be legal"

Works for me. Think about it: We waste so much money on this "war on drugs". If we were to legalize drugs -- even REGULATE them, license them, and allow them to be sold at your local CVS or Duane Reade, what would happen to all the crime associated with their illegal trafficking?

It would disappear. The same way that all the crime associated with the illegal trafficking of ALCOHOL disappeared after prohibition.

>> under free market capitalism drugs would be legal

Again, I'm sorry; I'm not familiar with your particular delusions, so please be patient with me. When you say that free market capitalism equals drug legalization, I'm confused. Are all government actions illegitimate -- as in banning the use of drugs is illegitimate? Or are you just saying that restraints on trade -- for example, restraints on the sale of drugs are illegitimate -- but restrictions on their use --say giving crack to infants -- would be an acceptable government action?

I'm not sure if you are an anarchist or a tax protester at this point.

the government should protect the individual and property right through the court system and police.. also the only other legitimate function of the federal government is the defense of the country. the rest; the federal gov't should stay out of the way..

julialg, is it the fault of government that you can't write a simple sentence or paragraph correctly? Would the free market cure your unpunctuated, noncapitalized run-on fragments?

"Free markets work great. What the gov't needs to do is enforce the laws and protect us from monopolies and oligolopies."

If the govt. does that, all you CATO cronies will complain that the govt. is over regulating the market. Just curious, where exactly does CATO's funding come from? You guys must be supported by corporations since I have never seena think tank that is as pro business as CATO. You guys make Heritage look like a bunch of liberal Code Pink protestors!

alanhart... your a typical socialist;if you can't debate the issues and ideas than attack and ridicule.

Yes, I heard you before. I know you're plenty capable of unending patriotic pablum, but I'm trying to understand what you're actually saying when you think you're making a point.

So, can the government regulate the sale of crack to infants since you've got it freely available in your utopian delusion? And are the police publicly funded through taxation, or is it fee based along with voluntary market funding?

my a typical socialist?

hey alanhart just wondering if you picked up your government check..

Seriously, though, are you certified as semi-literate?

alanhart "my a typical socialits"

Did you drop out of school in the second grade to go work in a factory or a coal mine? Now THAT'S the free market hard at work! Ah, the good old days!!!

Am I a typical socialite? Is that what you're trying so hard to express?

alanhart "my a typical socialist"

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I pledge to eliminate all government intervention in my life. I will abstain from the use of and participation in any socialist goods and services including but not limited to the following:

* Social Security

* Medicare/Medicaid

* State Children's Health Insurance Programs (SCHIP)

* Police, Fire, and Emergency Services

* US Postal Service

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* Use of the Internets, email, and networked computers, as the DoD's ARPANET was the basis for subsequent computer networking

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If a veteran of the government-run socialist US military, I will forego my VA benefits and insist on paying for my own medical care

julialg, how de we know your not a ...comm.

will not tour socialist government buildings like the Capitol in Washington, D.C.

I pledge to never take myself, my family, or my children on a tour of the following types of socialist locations, including but not limited to:

* Smithsonian Museums such as the Air and Space Museum or Museum of American History

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* The government-operated Statue of Liberty

* The Grand Canyon

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* The government-run socialist-propaganda location known as Arlington National Cemetery

* All other public-funded socialist sites, whether it be in my state or in Washington, DC

I will urge my Member of Congress and Senators to forego their government salary and government-provided healthcare.

I will oppose and condemn the government-funded and therefore socialist military of the United States of America.

I will protest socialist security departments such as the Pentagon, FBI, CIA, Department of Homeland Security, TSA, Department of Justice and their socialist employees.

Upon reaching eligible retirement age, I will tear up my socialist Social Security checks.

Upon reaching age 65, I will forego Medicare and pay for my own private health insurance until I die.

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prostitution, with the exception of nevada of course, is another finely-run capitalistic endeavor.

yes, bring back the dickensian world that help so many. capitalism at its best. better yet, let's return to feudalism. we seem to be headed that way rapidly, and not because of any rampant socialism.

since ah is paying attention to grammar, i'll correct. helped so many, not help so many.

It's ironic that this discussion is happening on the Internet.

Oh well, time to stop poking the bears in the zoo.

socialist i agree. where can i get my refund on all the taxes i have paid.

Thank you, aboutready ... grammarianess is next to godliness.

(Of course, godliness isn't allowed under strict free market capitalism, unless it involves the exchange of goods and services for a profit motive.

Right, julialg? Note that a question ends with a question mark.

Sacre Bleu, SkinnyNsweet ... now the government has gotten control of the internet? Next it'll be those liberal universities that gain control over it, and then the whole world-wide intertubes will be finished, just ruinated.

close paren

alanhart "my a typical socialist"

alanhart run along now, you have to pick up your government check.

your a typical socialist ... I mean that as a question but can't learn to punctuate so answer julialg

Government? Check!

free market capitalism

individual liberty

an objective rule of law

> Because the free market has worked so well... like in heaoth care, banking, etc.

If you think our health care system is "free market", you have no idea what you are talking about. Our failures in our health care system can be traced mostly to socialist ideals like prince controls. Free market advances get SHUT DOWN by the union-owned legislatures....

Not to mention, how has that socialism worked out for you? You moving to cuba next week? The ussr?

Note that the parts of europe that haven't fallen into the toilet are moving *away* from socialism.

"I pledge to never take myself, my family, or my children on a tour of the following types of socialist locations, including but not limited to:"

Its funny... socialist doesn't actually understand what socialism is!

"Um, the teachers' unions have been in NYC for gnerations. it's only recently that the kids can't think for themselves."

You kidding? The nyc schools have been a complete mess for generations!

You really trying to argue that the union isn't HORRIBLE for the kids?

"But don't lay the blame for stupid kids on the steps of the teachers unions. There's only so much teachers can do for kids who are being raised by crack whores."

Yes, especially when the teachers are horrible teachers, or sexual abusers.... all still on the NYC payroll!

I just love it that old lousy teachers get paid more, which younger good ones get laid off...

well said!

"The nyc schools have been a complete mess for generations!"

Yes ... for those generations where the "disadvantaged" inner-city kids have been raised without fathers.

Barry Obama send his kids to private school, but is against giving poor inner city kids vouchers.

> Its funny... socialist doesn't actually understand what socialism is!

Isn't that a fairly common problem with american socialists, not knowing what that term really means? Oh wait, they do know, they've read das kapital. It's just that those damn europeans f-d it up.

"Yes ... for those generations where the "disadvantaged" inner-city kids have been raised without fathers"

If you think its the inner-city kids who have been the only ones to experience a lousy school system..

you have ABSOLUTELY NO idea what you are talking about here....

somewhereelse's mom works for the Board of Ed. And teachers stood by while bullies like Rhino picked on somewhereelse. So somewhereelse hates teachers.

I see, when logic and facts escape you, go for insults!