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remove 75 million oil liability cap

Started by Riversider
about 16 years ago
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the crisis in the Gulf Coast proves that liability caps encouraged risky behavior. If we had not had them BP might have operated the rigs in a safer manner. So on that theory, does not FDIC insured deposits cause banks to act in a risky behavior with our money?
Response by bgrfrank
about 16 years ago
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Yes, there needs to be payment. But how can we stop this and clean up this horrible environmental situation faster?

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Response by glamma
about 16 years ago
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force BP to pay for the entire 10 year clean up this will require, throw the board and CEO behind bars, throw Cheney and Haliburton brass behind bars, make them all spend 3 months cleaning oily animals, then liquidate the company and give the proceeds to environmental scientists and wildlife activists to improve the planet. these actions would not even come close to rectifying the situation but it would be a decent start.

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Response by truthskr10
about 16 years ago
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40,000 barrels of oil every day......40,000 barrels of oil......if the president should finally call, 5000 barrels of oil everyday.
5,000 barrels of oil every day......5,000 barrels of oil......if one of those reporters should happen to call, it's an estimate after all.

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Response by glamma
about 16 years ago
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i highly recommend this movie to anyone interested in this topic.

Who Killed the Electric Car?
The film deals with the history of the electric car, its development, and commercialization. The film focuses primarily on the General Motors EV1, which was made available for lease mainly in Southern California, after the California Air Resources Board passed the ZEV mandate in 1990. Also discussed are the implications of the events depicted for air pollution, environmentalism, Middle East politics, and global warming.

The film details the California Air Resources Board's reversal of the mandate after suits from automobile manufacturers, the oil industry, and the George W. Bush administration. It points out that Bush's chief influences, Dick Cheney, Condoleezza Rice, and Andrew Card, are all former executives and board members of oil and auto companies. The EV1 was eliminated from the GM Line in 1999.

A large part of the film details GM's efforts to demonstrate to California that there was no demand for their product, and then to take back every EV1 and dispose of them. A few were disabled and given to museums and universities, but almost all were found to have been crushed; GM never responded to the EV drivers' offer to pay the residual lease value ($1.9 million was offered for the remaining 78 cars in Burbank before they were crushed). Several activists, including actress Alexandra Paul, are shown being arrested in the protest that attempted to block the GM car carriers taking the remaining EV1s off to be crushed.

The film explores some of the reasons that the auto and oil industries worked to kill off the electric car. Wally Rippel is shown explaining that the oil companies were afraid of losing out on trillions of dollars in potential profit from their transportation fuel monopoly over the coming decades, while the auto companies were afraid of losses over the next six months of EV production. Others explained the killing differently. GM spokesman Dave Barthmuss argued it was lack of consumer interest due to the maximum range of 80–100 miles per charge, and the relatively high price.

The film also showed the failed attempts by electric car enthusiasts trying to combat the cancellation of EV1 and the surviving vehicles. Towards the end of the film, a deactivated EV1 car #99 was found in the garage of Petersen Automotive Museum, with former EV sales representative, Chelsea Sexton, invited for a visit.

The film also explores the future of automobile technologies including a deeply critical look at hydrogen vehicles, an upbeat discussion of plug-in hybrids, and examples of other developing EV technologies such as the Tesla Roadster (released on the market two years after the film). The end of the film mentioned the upcoming sequel, Revenge of the Electric Car.

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Response by finallyjoy
about 16 years ago
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"force BP to pay for the entire 10 year clean up this will require, throw the board and CEO behind bars, throw Cheney and Haliburton brass behind bars, make them all spend 3 months cleaning oily animals, then liquidate the company and give the proceeds to environmental scientists and wildlife activists to improve the planet. these actions would not even come close to rectifying the situation but it would be a decent start." Lets just put everyone we don't like and who disagree with our righteousness. in prison. Slip sliding into dictatorship.

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Response by truthskr10
about 16 years ago
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glamma

Al Gore with his buffoon science and Michael Moore's liberal puke could learn a lot about film making from this movie.
What the oil/auto industry did with politicians on both sides of the aisle to the electric car is disgraceful.
And the way they produced this movie was a home run.

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Response by saiyar1
about 16 years ago
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"Lets just put everyone we don't like and who disagree with our righteousness. in prison. Slip sliding into dictatorship."

I don't see how there's another side to the story in this situation. BP fucked this up big time. Mistake or not, they are 100% at fault. They will get a slap on the wrist and business as usual. It's a well known fact that politicians and oil companies have been corrupt and pay each other off. Just because we don't have them on tape meeting in a back alley handing cash in an envelope doesn't mean Cheney and his pals don't get paid big time. I don't understand how people that have board seats at major lobbying corps. aren't stopped from being in office. It's a major conflict of interest and very corrupt. And Americans bad talk other countries for being so "corrupt".... bit of hypocrisy, no?

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Response by finallyjoy
about 16 years ago
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saiyar1 i totally agree with you. But let's solve the problem. The corruption between Washington and big business is sickening and it's another example of the collateral damage of the welfare entitlement state. Look at all the people inside this regime who revolve from government to business to government. Dick Syron was the CEO of freddie when it collapsed is a perfect example of an individual with no ability or talent who shuffled between government and business. There are literally thousands of Jim Targets and Owen Boyles in the Government.

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Response by uwsmom
about 16 years ago
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thanks glamma. sunday, 10:30am on sundance channel if anyone else is interested.

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Response by Riversider
about 16 years ago
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Who Killed the Electric Car?
And how is the elctricity for the elecric car made? A coal plan?

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Response by somewhereelse
about 16 years ago
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> i highly recommend this movie to anyone interested in this topic.

The fact that hybrids have gone huge, and now plug-in electrics are back pretty much toasted this movie.

I enjoyed it, but it just didn't have its facts straight.

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Response by falcogold1
about 16 years ago
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prehaps the gulf situation could be made right with enough vinigar, salt, pepper, croutons, lettuce and shaved cheese. Could this be a plan worse than the ones you have seen so far?

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Response by finallyjoy
about 16 years ago
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Daddy did you plug the hole yet? What kabuki theater.

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Response by alanhart
about 16 years ago
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Eight lanes of shimmering cement running from here to Pasadena. Smooth, safe, fast. Traffic jams will be a thing of the past.

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Response by Riversider
about 16 years ago
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It's time for Obama to keep his pledge and support nuclear power. France has gone Nuclear and used it safely for years. No other non-fossil fuel can compete on a price basis.

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Response by glamma
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nuclear is not the great alternative it's cracked up to be. the problem is the waste and where to store it. wind/current/solar is better

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Response by Riversider
about 16 years ago
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In Nevada of course. This is where people have to get realistic. If we ban deep sea oil, and dirty coal, we might as well walk around in bear skins.

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Response by columbiacounty
about 16 years ago
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Let's be sure to skip over the obvious. Conservation remains a dirty word.

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