Overheard: two rental brokers

One word.

Jimnutz is a f'king nimrod.

One other thing, thatz exactly what the used car salesman said! But he had the heart to throw in the floormats! And seriously why don't cars come with floormats? Do they sell cars wo a painted bumper. You want you bumpers painted, well that'll cost extra.

How about 'oh you want this plane to actually fly, well pay for the fuel!' WTF?

My impression on one of them was "Oh, this must be jimmynutz." Much more pleasant in person, nice haircut, nice tie, decent jacket all things considered. Too bad it was blaring hot outside, but at least he didn't do the tie-with-no-jacket-and-maybe-a-short-sleeved-shirt getup his cohort had.

Hilarious. I often wonder 'jimnutz''? When I meet a rental borker. I keep projecting se characters onto ppl I know.

Well you got the mo correct. Talk smack on se and then tell 'insiders' the true dish. I bet he wears lipstick and eyeshadow bf meeting w the landlord and averts his eyes when speaking to the LL to avoid confrontations with the powers that be (at least to him).

Something wrong doggie? There was no z in your words. And no mention of the Rolex or Porsche.

Remember, all posts must contain one from Category A and one from Category B.

Nada, was this fellow wearing black prada loafers? Oliver Peoples sunglasses that cost more than some folks car payments? Working button cuffs on his tailored jacket? Cartier tank Americain stainless watch (expansive but tasteful). French xuff shirt? Did he appear to be coaching the fellow?
I don't really leave the office much, so probably wasn't me, but cute that you think of me.

All this to hop on the second avenue bus?

"All this to hop on the second avenue bus?"

cc, I know we've had our differences, but I have to say that was f'ing awesome

You like the subway, take it. I like the bus. The only people who should drive cars from place to place in Manhattan are those that get paid to. Taxis are slow and only used by me when I'm too tired for public transportation. Besides I live east of 1st ave in the e50's.

so, if we see a lowlife wearing

Proda shoes from payless
Puples sunglasses
A jacket from salvation army that doesn't really fit
A Carter's watch
French cuff shirt size 18 on 15 1/2

we know itssssssssssssss jimnutz

Hey, you're really good naming those off-brands and where to buy. Are you a concierge at holiday inn or something?

Cartier tank Americain stainless watch (expansive but tasteful).

Couldn't afford the white gold?

Even the most larcenous rental broker can't cheat people out of enough money to get the white gold. J ho will have to wait until he moves up to sales to get a better watch

I did just have two (of my four) sales exclusives go to contract. But I wouldn't spend it on a watch anyway. I opted for the automatic movement. White gold? What about diamonds for the numerals. Eurotrash.

I did just have two (of my four) sales exclusives go to contract. But I wouldn't spend it on a watch anyway. I opted for the automatic movement. White gold? What about diamonds for the numerals. Eurotrash.

>Oliver Peoples sunglasses that cost more than some folks car payments

http://www.popularglasses.com/Product_Category/Eyeglasses/Oliver_Peoples/

No wonder I never heard of this shitty brand.

darkbird, you just showed your ass. if you haven't heard of oliver peoples (bridge and tunnel). .....why don't you try their website? look at the prices. they have a store on madison ave as well.

(darkbird silently looking at the site for op glasses realizing that not only did he just show what a provincial and unsophisticated twat he is, but also that these sunglasses are beyond his meager means.......)
crickets

black prada loafers - $595
Oliver Peoples sunglasses - $415
Kiton blazer - $4995
Cartier Tank Americaine stainless watch - Tank Americaine not actually produced in a stainless model
French cuff shirt - $195
Monthly MetroCard - $89

i use transit check for my metrocard, so i get it pre-tax. i guess my actual cost is less than $60 per month.
how do you get to work? helicopter? or through port authority or penn station? metro north?

expansive indeed...

I am trying to understand something. If Jim is such the pillar of style, class and real estate knowledge, how come the moment he touches a thread it turns to complete crap?

What I mean is there are quite a number of people here who speak of knowledge of the market, and at times give hints of their real life and instead of causing the thread to devolve they seem to add value and and burnish their own image. But I know the minute Jim joins a thread, any value in the thread will disappear.

AvUWS, Read this post (and others) carefully. Many here hate both the message and the messenger. For instance, how does someome commenting on my choice of taking the bus to work add value to a thread? As if everyone here has a car service. Your a dick.

AvUWS: Hey I don't think anyone--least of all Jim--is apt to deny that his streeteasy persona is an asshole. Having said that, this whole thread was just a big insult-piling-anti-Jim-free-for-all before he ever got on it. I fail to see how he can be blamed for having ruined this thread--it had no value to begin with, but to give posters an additional outlet for their idiocy and vitriol. On the occasion that Jim has shared real-time-on-the-street real estate and/or market knowledge, noone believes him and the usual suspects go out of their way to insult and discredit his info, character, etc. So do they do this because of his carefully cultivated streeteasy-douche personality?Or did he cultivate this persona as a response to the insulting and nasty manner so many posters have on this site?What comes first the chicken or the egg? AAHHH these eternal questions...;-)

Jim, I didn't pay much attention to the labels. However, by your description, my projection onto the guy probably wasn't that far off. Do you really wear a bespoke jacket to work on a Tuesday when it's blaring hot?

Back to the topic at hand, why do you think this guy thought it a good idea to push a more expensive place onto the client?

nada, i wear a jacket to work everyday, hot or not. I rarely have to leave my air-conditioned office anymore however.
Nada, let me ask you what you would do. Someone contacts you, says they want to live in this neighborhood, in this kind of apartment, with these ameneties, for this budget. You know that their budget is completely unrealistic, but by increasing it 10% they can get what they want. Personally, I would show them (if they existed) the apartments in their price range, then show them the more expensive units, and let them make up their own minds. Suddenly, people have higher budgets than they said they did on the phone. Or they don't need a doorman, dont need the West Village, etc.
What would you do?

Jimmy, I think what you do is completely reasonable. You give the realistic options and let them decide. If you tell them your assessment upfront, all the better. However, what was strange in this instance (and I of course wasn't privy to ask for clarification), is that the broker had some sort of vested interest in getting the client to go with the more expensive place. At that difference, I'd just be most interested in them taking any of the places.

Also, how is it that as a broker you rarely need to leave the office?

nada, there are reasons that these guys were talking about dealing with clients who want to rent $1700 studios, and there are reasons that i never usually have to leave the office. they aren't any good at their job, and i am.
i've said all of this before, but i guess i need to repeat. i have a handful of exclusive landlord accounts. i am the only broker that is allowed to rent their apartments. a few of these are luxe pre-war doorman buildings (7th ave, west village, east 50's, riverside drive, ues in 70's off 3rd). So when anyone moves in, I get at least half of the commission (in the case of a co-broke) or more if it is direct). Add to that "open listings" where I still get a smaller percentage, AND the sales side of the business....
I have people who work for me....I have a title, and a corner office.....These guys are not doing the same thing for a living that I am.

Would it be right to say that these buildings are effectively outsourcing the job of the leasing office to you? The buildings are too small to have an in-house leasing office, but too large to do random brokers -- a couple of vacancies a month?

AvUWS
about 10 hours ago
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report abuse I am trying to understand something. If Jim is such the pillar of style, class and real estate knowledge, how come the moment he touches a thread it turns to complete crap?

What I mean is there are quite a number of people here who speak of knowledge of the market, and at times give hints of their real life and instead of causing the thread to devolve they seem to add value and and burnish their own image. But I know the minute Jim joins a thread, any value in the thread will disappear.

I would encourage you at this point to read the thread about lease cancellation as a perfect example of what I am talking about....

in this instance it is an entire landlord account. i worked hard to get it and i have to work hard to keep it. it's a relatively new business for me (late '09). in addition to the buildings mentioned they have a series of small walk-ups, a couple of outer borough buildings, etc. Some medical and professional space on the first floor of their better buidlings. vacancies vary between the buildings (7th ave, wv hardly ever turns over) ,to the east 50's and ues apartments that turn over a lot.
there are much smaller buildings that have onsites. this is an "old school" landlord who likes to have someone do all of the work for them when it comes to pricing, marketing, vetting prospective tenants, etc.

Got it. And the adding of new brokers under you was related to this: managing the larger volume of business? What did the old broker do to lose the business?

it wasn't so much what the older (should say other) broker did wrong, but what i did right. i had managed to get an exclusive on a small building in chelsea and leases it up quickly, so i had that under my belt. i also learned early on that the way to making this work for me as a business was on the rental listings side. I kind of sharked my way into the account, but I had done some business for them, and they weren't entirely happy with the other guy. So, to sum it up, they gave me an exclusive agreement for 60 days on a building that was having facade and common area construction, during the worst part of the downturn. I did a good enough job that they awarded me the exclusive on one other building, then i pitched for the portfolio and got it.
Yes, the extra work made it necessary to bring on a pa, plus one full time/one part-time associate.

How much money can you possibly make as a rental broker? I can't imagine even a really successful rental broker making more than $100,000-$150,000/year (after the split with their firm and other expenses are taken out). If you are wearing prada loafer, spending $400 on a pair of glasses and otherwise living the life you pretend to on that kind of salary, you are just plain stupid. Then again, that explains why most of America has no savings, lots of credit card debt and will retire just on social security.

What do you got against how this guy spends his money? If he likes to spend it on fashion, so be it. Just because a person doesn't have the same spending priorities as you doesn't mean they spend too much relative to their incomes. If someone decides they'd rather be in a $2000 studio vs. a $3000 1 BR, but then have an extra $12K to spend annually on clothing, does that make them any more or less of a spendthrift on the same income?

downtown, you're numbers are off. and to be clear, i haven't eluded to any kind of "lifestyle" that you can call stupid. there is a reason one may chose to buy prada loafers and good sunglasses, clothes etc, because that person would prefer not to replace those items every year, the way they might with inferior products. but that's another story.

further, there is no such thing as a "rental broker". i do focus on the rental side, but that is because of the listings business i have built. and i'm sure you have heard of TWO income families? we live well, but within our means, and have been careful (and lucky) with our investments.

and honestly, do you think for a second that i spend what others do on my housing?

@jim_hones10 all of my sunglasses over $400, MSRP probably over 1k. Who buys at MSRP anyways, only complete retards (hint, why would I look at their MSRP priced site)? Your shitty sunglasses worth $200 at a store, I don't remember brand names of throw away glasses. I take these to go swimming at sea.

Oh wearing the same pair for shoes for the last 10 years is disgusting.

all of your sunglasses cost over 1k each, but you never heard of oliver peoples before? i guess you're an oakley man. maybe maui jim, right? you really should just stop, you lose any sort of credibility everytime you touch your keyboard.

Jumbo Jim. You truly your own worst enemy.

And downright stupid.

columbiacounty
less than a minute ago
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report abuse Jumbo Jim. You truly your own worst enemy.

And downright stupid.
stupid enough to make a great living in a job where you need to spend about $400 on an education as opposed to $400k.

who's stupid now? my best guess is that you're unemployed cc. you've never ever hinted that you are actually gainfully employed at anything. and you definately live in your parent's basement. so really, at this point, haven't you had enough? isn't it obvious to you that I am way smarter than you are?

Oh yes.

What a compelling argument you present.

darkbird in his discounted ordred on the internet oakleys:

http://www.fotosearch.com/RBL008/b10782/

let's be clear on something: when i buy ANYTHING, because i live in manhattan, i go to the boutique that the company who makes the product sells their product. i don't point and click, looking to save 100 here or there. i don't have to. i pay for the service and experience as much as the product. i'd rather not have to wonder whether i am getting the genuine article. like you might chose tgi fridays for their "bitchin" prices, i chose places like gramercy tavern, prices be damned.

tell me, when you comment here,is it really tiny, like it appears once you post?
are you really darkbird? why are you weighing in here anyway? isn't one intellectual ass-kicking a week enough for you?

Jumbo.

You've taken this schtick too far.

You've left implausible in the dust. Clearly this is all yet another of your many made up personnnas.

Time for new material.

Yeah, seriously, you've never heard of Oliver Peoples? It's that 1990s brand -- you must have known it.

you're right alan. like that 80's brand called armani.

AvUWS
about 16 hours ago
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report abuse I am trying to understand something. If Jim is such the pillar of style, class and real estate knowledge, how come the moment he touches a thread it turns to complete crap?

What I mean is there are quite a number of people here who speak of knowledge of the market, and at times give hints of their real life and instead of causing the thread to devolve they seem to add value and and burnish their own image. But I know the minute Jim joins a thread, any value in the thread will disappear.

any further comment? who do you think has devalued this thread, if you read through it? who hear has absolutely nothing of any value to contribute? who, when encountered in a reasonable manner, weighs in with insight, clarity and VALUE for others? and who (more than one) is just a snarky bitch who clearly has an agenda against one particular poster, no matter what they have to say?

"here" not "hear" for those who will jump all over that as some sort of indication of my education, background, sexuality, what have you.

nap time. it is father's day after all.

I have. I don't. Not me. I am.

Besides the Oliver Peoples' sunglasses, I'm with those here (maybe just nyg) who have criticized the whole intent of this thread started by inonada. Jim's general (not always) BS is reasonably documented and his asshole persona has been self-acknowledged but there's no need for this thread.

But no need to go to waste.
Can we get some input from STEVEJHX. Based on this post, any thoughts on which landlord we are talking about?

jim_hones10
about 23 hours ago
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report abuse it wasn't so much what the older (should say other) broker did wrong, but what i did right. i had managed to get an exclusive on a small building in chelsea and leases it up quickly, so i had that under my belt. i also learned early on that the way to making this work for me as a business was on the rental listings side. I kind of sharked my way into the account, but I had done some business for them, and they weren't entirely happy with the other guy. So, to sum it up, they gave me an exclusive agreement for 60 days on a building that was having facade and common area construction, during the worst part of the downturn. I did a good enough job that they awarded me the exclusive on one other building, then i pitched for the portfolio and got it.

'stupid enough to make a great living in a job where you need to spend about $400 on an education as opposed to $400k.'
The power of education. Some need it to make money, some don't. To be educated...you need it.
This explains a lot. This explains many inane posts which lack clear critical thinking....must be nice to go through life....
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Falco, I graduated from a state school. I am educated. I do find it ironic when someone who has 100k plus in student loans has less earning potential than someone who gets an re license.

You are making it all up as fast as you can.

And we all know who you are.

As noted, pathetic.

Who am I cc?

"Besides the Oliver Peoples' sunglasses, I'm with those here (maybe just nyg) who have criticized the whole intent of this thread started by inonada."

Splaken, the intent of this thread was to discuss a couple of broker's comments: the fact that one felt a need to "upsell", and that the other had a 1BR that he thought was a very good deal w/ OP & 1 month free, but people weren't biting. I mentioned as an aside that one of them reminded me of the persona jimmy projects, in a positive light. Jimmy confirmed that he is indeed that well-kempt, if not more, and I defended his choice on how he spends his money in the face of criticism. In between the back-and-forth with others, you'll also see that I engaged jimmy in conversation about RE.

And, for the record, the jimmy-style broker DID appear to be coaching the other broker.

it ain't all about the money...
ain't nothing wrong with getting educated by the state.
measure of a man is not his wallet.
let's agree to disagree.

Jumbo.

You tell us.

Excellent work.

You have managed to become the center of attention.

Do you just chuckle about the rest of us or is it more of a chortle?

just waiting for you to tell me who i am.

Chortle for sure.

Too over tuhe top with this personna.

Doesn't work.

don't you see at this point that you have become the asshole? are you really that dense?
it's more of a snicker

According to you ( et al ) I have been an asshole for months.

Eh, I'm over the Oliver People's/Prada crap. 70% off on gilt.com or bluefly or ideeli.com.

And, as far as sunglasses go, you know that they're all licensed to some GIANT eyewear company that makes 'em all. Sorry. So much for exclusivity.

if you are a size 8.5 maybe

i believe it's Luxottica that makes all the glasses. Then Oliver's ppl hires some third world child labor to "hand" polish it... then say "it's hand-made."

FWIW, I'd rather have it "machine" made... less variance..like Jimnutz's dildo...

My glasses say made in italy on them. Is that the third world to you?

Either way, time to get ready for the bus.

Tell us how you get to work

"Splaken, the intent of this thread ...

Whatever you want me to believe.

even glasses that say 'made in Italy ' are frequently produced in china but, assembled in Italy at some minimum level necessary to achieve the 'label'. In point of fact, wrt frame manufacturing, china has surpassed Italy and France in it ability ti produce a quality piece of merchandise.

sure. you mean like ferraris that have steel in them or aluminum that was mined in another country?

wrong again... its' like a Bentley that's got VW Jetta switchgear... ya know, a rental borker who tries to "hang" with bankers

Ya know, rental broker that thinks $4K costume makes up for ZERO accomplishments....

Jumbo Jim

That bus stuff is killing you.

Not enough knockoff sunglasses in the world to make it OK.