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A Drag on Prices on Park Avenue

Started by 5thGenNYer
over 15 years ago
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I love how those genius brokers like Dolly Lenz attribute sale prices at 35% of original asking to "marketing". LMAO. from the WSJ today: A Drag on Prices on Park Avenue http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052748703886904576031941005339506.html#articleTabs%3Darticle After languishing on the market for years, two celebrated Park Avenue co-ops in the same building have gone into contract at... [more]
Response by West81st
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I think it's true that provenance gets overvalued. The problem is that sellers (abetted by their brokers) get the idea that a property is worth more because it was owned by [insert deceased bold-face name here]. So they set an inflated price. At best, they wind up with roughly the same price they would have gotten without the celebrity pitch; at worst, the listing gets stale and they wind up with less.

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Response by KISS
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I don't think the point of this piece is that celebrity-based pricing is misguided. Rather I read it to mean that the market for high end, trophy apts is in trouble. So, if the clearing price of this type of property is now 1/3 of the top of mkt price, what does that mean for less rarefied properties, if anything?

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Response by NWT
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Places like that are a hard sell. Mrs. Astor wouldn't have given a thought to resale value. The latest plan shows the kitchen kitted out with a suburban family room.

Take a look at the Rockefeller/Steinberg/Schwarzman place at 740 Park, when it sold in the '70s for $225K, less than three times its annual maintenance back then: http://nyre.cul.columbia.edu/projects/view/17826#images

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Response by 5thGenNYer
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NWT- what was the asking price and final sale price of that apt?

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Response by NWT
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No idea. All the google stuff on it says the Steinbergs bought from the Rockefellers in 1971 for $225K, after the place sat for a long time as a white elephant. But the brochure is from 1976, so maybe that's a typo or the Steinbergs tried to sell after a few years. As it was, they stayed until 2000 when they sold for $30M.

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Response by drdrd
over 15 years ago
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I seem to recall that the floorplan of the Buckley apartment was rather odd & so was the Astor apartment. They obviously worked for the Buckleys & Mrs. Astor but they were odd nonetheless. That also could be a big factor in the lower selling prices.

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