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Another Peter Schiff prediction...

Started by sniper
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some from the past: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VCv32qaINIQ&feature=player_embedded#at=105 The new prediction: Most economists concede that a lasting general recovery is unlikely without a recovery in the housing market. A marked increase in defaults and foreclosures from today’s already elevated levels could produce losses that overwhelm banks and trigger another, deeper financial crisis.... [more]
Response by w67thstreet
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W67. always said we'd overshoot on the way down. No?

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Response by West81st
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One minor statistical quibble: The value that represents a 10% overshoot below the trend line in 2015 should be calculated relative to the trend-line value in 2015, not 2010.

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Response by Riversider
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Prediction is very difficult, especially about the future. Niels Bohr

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Response by sniper
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time will tell...who are the loudest (analaysts, media, etc.) voices on "2011 will see RE recovery," if any?

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Response by Riversider
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My favorite predictors are the talking heads on CNBC who seem to forget the predictions they made 24 hours ago. Erego they are always right.

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Response by w67thstreet
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2015, would mean 3.5% compounded for 5 yrs. No quibble.

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Response by w67thstreet
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Ie. More of an azz kicking.

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Response by West81st
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w67: I think it's actually less of an azz-kicking. According to my feeble Excel skills, a 9% drop over five years would bring values back to the trend line value for January 2016 (144.84); an 18% drop would achieve the predicted 10% overshot to the downside.

I don't know where he's getting a trend-line value of 126.7 for October 2010. I think that figure should be about 122, based on compound annual 3.35% increases from a January 1998 start value of 82.7. If 126.7 is the correct number for October 2010, then the trend-line number for January 2016 is a little over 150, and it only takes a 5.5% drop from the current value of 159 to get there, or a 15% drop to overshoot by 10%.

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Response by Riversider
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Peter Schiff brings up some interesting points, however I believe a 20% decline is no slam dunk prediction. While I share Mr. Schiff's opinion on the negative aspects of government price supports of any kind (including real estate), I do not believe they will end any time soon and would not be shocked if the government actually introduces new ones. The banks and the government have tremendous real estate exposure, strong structural job growth is not likely and it's all to easy for the government to revert to the same bad behaviors that brought us this mess.

I'll also add a second reason, mean reversion. We've already gone down quite a bit and more often than not prices seem to come back more than fall further(think stock market after DOW bottomed in 2008.

If the government ended all our real estate subsidies, we probably would see a drop in housing prices and improved affordability for new home purchases at the same time. I just don't see our elected officials doing this anytime soon.

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Response by West81st
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My mistake: I skipped a year. So the October 2010 figure is right, and the January 2016 number is around 150. So a drop of a little less than 6% from 159 over the next five years puts values back at the long-term trend line.

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Response by HT1
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Prediction is very difficult, especially about the future. Niels Bohr

Not at all.
I predict that the sun will rise tomorrow again and will repeat that astonishing performance the day after tomorrow, too. Not sure yet about that third day ;-)

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Response by huntersburg
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I thought Yogi Berra said that.

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Response by Socialist
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Whatever happened to all of Schiff's dollar collapse predictions?

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Response by Socialist
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Response by Socialist
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Schiff in 2008: "But we could see $150 to $200 [oil] next year.

http://money.usnews.com/money/personal-finance/articles/2008/05/30/permabear-peter-schiffs-worst-case-scenario.html?PageNr=2

Yet another wrong prediction...

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Response by Socialist
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Schiff in 2008: "I think gold is going to hit $2,000 an ounce next year."

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z5qdkPlwvrc&feature=related

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Response by Socialist
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Schiff in 2008: "Americans are through buying cars right now"

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1gkUFr5gHPM&feature=related

November 2010: Car sales INCREASE 17% year over year:

http://www.reuters.com/article/idUSTRE6B03TQ20101201

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Response by jason10006
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I sat next to him AND two Fox newsies at a Cal fundraiser. My tongue was bleeding by the end of the night I bit it so much.

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Response by huntersburg
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Socialist, you really destroyed Schiff. Now jason needs Band Aid.

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Response by Riversider
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Euro-Pacific Capital's business model is international stocks and precious metals. As such it should come as no surprise that anyone and everyone connected with the firm is bearish on the U.S. Peter Schiff may believe in the firm's philosophy or not, but communicated the bearish U.S. views is "good business"

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