Tea Party Spending Cuts Murdered 2 Children
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After Philadelphia’s Budget Cuts Force Closure Of Nearest Fire Station, Two Children Die In Fire As a part of Philadelphia’s cost-cutting measures, the city has been closing down certain fire stations on a rotating basis in a process of “rolling brownouts.” Since these brownouts began, city firefighters have protested the policy, saying that they would harm public safety. Philadelphia Fire... [more]
After Philadelphia’s Budget Cuts Force Closure Of Nearest Fire Station, Two Children Die In Fire As a part of Philadelphia’s cost-cutting measures, the city has been closing down certain fire stations on a rotating basis in a process of “rolling brownouts.” Since these brownouts began, city firefighters have protested the policy, saying that they would harm public safety. Philadelphia Fire Commissioner Loyd Ayers dismissed these warnings and defended the city’s austerity plans, saying that the city “will continue to respond to your call and tend to any and every emergency that may arise in an urgent and timely manner.” Yet the firefighters were proven right when a tragedy struck earlier this week. On Tuesday, a fire broke out in a row home in the Olney section of the city. The closest fire station, which operates Engine 61, was closed that day due to the brownouts. Thus Engine 51, which was stationed further away from the site of the disaster, was dispatched to handle the situation. By the time two children were pulled from the ruins of the row home, it was too late, as both had tragically passed away. While the Fire Department’s Lt. Mike Grant maintains that Engine 51 got to the scene in “good order,” Mike Kane, who represents firefighters on behalf of Philadelphia Firefighters Union Local 22, estimated that the closer Engine 61 could’ve “been on the scene in half the time.” While Kane said that “nobody can answer” whether having a closer fire engine would’ve saved the lives of the children, he could say with confidence that the kids at least “would have had a shot. Maybe them kids would have had a shot“: http://thinkprogress.org/ Oh, and don't worry, Bloomberg's budget calls for the exact same firehouse closures here in NYC. Now might be a good time to invest in a fire extinguisher. [less]
Over 70% of firefighters in the united States are volunteers.
Can't we bus some in?
Apparently no one in Philly is willing to volunteer to be a fireman. They'd rather let two children die than lift a finger to help.
So sad.
At least the fire company didn't refuse to deploy for political reasons.
I think you did it Alpie. You "jumped the shark"!
Maybe Phildalephia should turn to the free market and make everyone pay extra for fire service. What could possibly go wrong???
@Socialist: You are correct, making people pay for fire protection can go wrong. I think you were referring to this story:
Firefighters Watch As Home Burns: Gene Cranick's House Destroyed In Tennessee Over $75 Fee
A smoldering rage may be all that remains after Gene Cranick's home burned to the ground last week in Obion County, Tennessee.
Firefighters are usually the bold "veni, vidi, vici" sort, but those from neighboring South Fulton could only say "veni, vidi." They came. They watched. That's it.
Cranick lives outside of the city limits and he admits that he forgot to pay a $75 annual service fee that would have provided him with fire protection. Firefighters wouldn't lift a finger, much less the hoses that might have saved the house.
The fire reportedly started in some barrels outside. As the flames crept closer to the home, Cranick says he offered to pay whatever it would take. The plea fell on deaf ears. Hours later, the home was gone.
So were three dogs and a cat.
Another "fail" by Socialist.
Democrats make up 78% of the registered voters in Philadelphia vs. 13% Republicans. How are any budget cuts in Philadelphia caused by the Tea Party?
When money isn't available you have to cut somewhere. All the decisions on cuts were, presumably, by Democrats who control the city. If you have to cut payroll but don't want to cut salaries or benefits then by definition you have to cut the #'s who receive them. I don't see "Tea Party" anywhere involved.
Matt - More likely people in Philadelphia are barred from being volunteer firefighters since that is those jobs are unionized.
federal Starve the Beast ... state Starve the Beast ... county/city Starve the Beast ... children die unnecessarily.
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ha I remember that story,there was more to it.
First of all, they KEPT forgetting to pay the service fee.
And there was more craziness, something like the son burned his house at an earlier time and didnt pay either.
AKA "When money isn't available you have to cut somewhere"
Or, sane version, ""When money isn't available you have to cut the tax cuts for high income/wealth individuals somewhere/everywhere"
"How are any budget cuts in Philadelphia caused by the Tea Party?"
The new governor of PA is a Republican.
You don't have to cut anywhere. You could RAISE TAXES! I know, what an awful ooncept.
I don't get it. So the Republican governer somehow stopped the city of Philadelphia from raising taxes on its residents?
You don't have to cut anywhere. You could RAISE TAXES! I know, what an awful ooncept.
Let me guess, you would not be in the group that pays more taxes...
You don't even need to raise taxes. You could just raise taxes on the too-wealthy and on people with excessive income. And the great news even for those people is that they still get to keep a really really lot of money. Everybody's a winner!!!
>Yet the firefighters were proven right when a tragedy struck earlier this week. On Tuesday, a fire broke out in a row home in the Olney section of the city.
Socialist, who caused the fire? Did the fire causers vote?
I am in the group that has seen their taxes raised. My property tax bill is evidence of that.
Ok, I still don't get it. There is a secret Tea Party mind control of the political leadership of Philadelphia to keep them from raising taxes on the really rich residents of Philadelphia?
You blame the cuts on these deaths and you blame the Tea Party for the cuts, but the Tea Party doesn't control Philadelphia.
Unions that refuse to give up overly lavish benefits cause layoffs that decrease services.
Socialists would rather tax businesses into oblivion and cause joblessness, as long as the government unions get their extravagent benefits.
WHich bumper sticker did you read that off of LICC?
Why LICC is an idiot: Example # 2,194:
- BANK OF AMERICA: In 2009, Bank of America didn’t pay a single penny in federal income taxes, exploiting the tax code so as to avoid paying its fair share. “Oh, yeah, this happens all the time,” said Robert Willens, a tax accounting expert interviewed by McClatchy. “If you go out and try to make money and you don’t do it, why should the government pay you for your losses?” asked Bob McIntyre of Citizens for Tax Justice. The same year, the mega-bank’s top executives received pay “ranging from $6 million to nearly $30 million.”
- BOEING: Despite receiving billions of dollars from the federal government every single year in taxpayer subsidies from the U.S. government, Boeing didn’t “pay a dime of U.S. federal corporate income taxes” between 2008 and 2010.
- CITIGROUP: Citigroup’s deferred income taxes for the third quarter of 2010 amounted to a grand total of $0.00. At the same time, Citigroup has continued to pay its staff lavishly. “John Havens, the head of Citigroup’s investment bank, is expected to be the bank’s highest paid executive for the second year in a row, with a compensation package worth $9.5 million.”
- EXXON-MOBIL: The oil giant uses offshore subsidiaries in the Caribbean to avoid paying taxes in the United States. Although Exxon-Mobil paid $15 billion in taxes in 2009, not a penny of those taxes went to the American Treasury. This was the same year that the company overtook Wal-Mart in the Fortune 500. Meanwhile the total compensation of Exxon-Mobil’s CEO the same year was over $29,000,000.
- GENERAL ELECTRIC: In 2009, General Electric — the world’s largest corporation — filed more than 7,000 tax returns and still paid nothing to U.S. government. They managed to do this by a tax code that essentially subsidizes companies for losing profits and allows them to set up tax havens overseas. That same year GE CEO Jeffery Immelt — who recently scored a spot on a White House economic advisory board — “earned total compensation of $9.89 million.” In 2002, Immelt displayed his lack of economic patriotism, saying, “When I am talking to GE managers, I talk China, China, China, China, China….I am a nut on China. Outsourcing from China is going to grow to 5 billion.”
- WELLS FARGO: Despite being the fourth largest bank in the country, Wells Fargo was able to escape paying federal taxes by writing all of its losses off after its acquisition of Wachovia.
http://thinkprogress.org/
And corporate federal income taxes relate to local taxes to pay for local firefighters how?
Thanks for another idiotic comment Socialist.
And federal block grants to states relate to unpaid corporate income taxes how? Oh, yeah, they get cut.
What a sadsack you are, LICcomm. You deserve SSI disability payments for your mental impairment -- I hope they don't get cut.
Is LICC the only idiot in the universe who does not know that federal money get distrubted to the states?
Now you are just scrambling with more idiotic comments to support your original idiotic comments.
You two should just keep working together to beg for handouts and let others do the work to pay for them.
Obama's stimulus irresponsibly ran up more debt and deficits to just let the states continue to be irresponsible for another year. Socialist's policies would turn the U.S. into Greece, but he still just puts his head in the sand to beg for those handouts . . .
Socialist's policies would turn the US into Luxembourg or Norway.
You're becoming a bumpersticker, LICcomm. It's quite remarkable, really.
When two people point out the beyond-obvious fact that you're pointedly WRONG about federal taxation having nothing to do with state/local taxation, the best you can do is say they're "scrambling with more idiotic comments to support your original idiotic comments"??? Are you eight years old?
Why should federal money get distributed to the states if they already have the power to tax real estate, sales and income? And the taxes from one or the other are then deductible.
Shouldn't the argument then be that we should end our federal governing system? How do we know it is the low corporate tax rates that are causing block grants to be deducted and not the reductions of low and middle class taxes? (the lower 47% of the income earners pay 0 taxes and probably have a net negative tax rate once you factor in tax credits)?
Perhaps one day you will understand that money is fungible.
>Why should federal money get distributed to the states if they already have the power to tax real estate, sales and income?
Is Pennsylvania one of the states that pays more into the federal government than it receives back? If so, what does that say for the conclusions reached by Socialist and alanhart?