Hamilton vs Washington Heights?!

Ahh..the worries and fears of white people..

yes, im white get, get off your high mule..

the worst i had was walking by jacki robinson park and have some loser follow me half a block yelling batti boy 'til i turned around how much to suck his c-ck, and my wife next to me asked if he likes rimming with the hand motion which shut him up quickly.

my niece on the other hand, may not have the same interests.

also are you dominican..

plse refer a dominican restaurant in the area we probly won't go to, but will pretend we did so we can feel hip and ethnic-chic with our frnds back in midtown.

I bought a condo in the upper 140's (west of Amsterdam) about 6 years ago and it really has changed a lot in that time. Hamilton Heights has a large number of Columbia University students- and the student population only seems to be increasing. The neighborhood still doesn't have the same pristine vibe that you find on much of the UWS- but it's a long way away from the war zone that it once was. That said, St. Nick and 145th st is still a problem corner but even that corner is no where near as bad as it was just a few years back. Honestly if your niece keeps her electronics (smart phones and iPads have been the big target- with people watching the screens and not paying attention to what is around them) in her pocket or bag and is aware of her surroundings, there is no reason to be afraid. The other recent problem in the neighborhood is break-ins from the fire escape window. Too many people leave that window unlocked, open or have a window A/C unit in there that can easily be pushed in and as a result these windows have been targeted.

thanks semerun, if it were one of the 2 institutions I assumed NY Pres would have a greater effect on Ham Heights, than CU, given most nurses/doctors could probly care less about petty drug-dealing/etc on the side streets, but most CU kids' parents from out of town wouldn't want their babies near it.. but i could be wrong given cost of housing of CU lodging.

do you see any hospital staff/residents increase as well or is that too far uptown? also, understand it's probably hard to tell either way (ie nurses/doctors not always in scrubs) thanks

There have been a few doctors that have lived in my building and other staff from the hospital in the neighborhood however, it's far more common to see CU students present in the neighborhood- especially grad students. I would think the location is perfect for CU Med School students since I believe they have to travel between the main campus and the 160's. I am even aware of NYU grad students living up here. I also have a friend that grew up in Scarsdale move in 2 blocks north of me.

If you're considering the 180's think west of Broadway, not Amsterdam. The area narrows considerable, so Amsterdam is basically on the east side of the island. Once you start getting above 181 and on Bennett Ave or west of there the area becomes nothing like the high 160's (which are also nice). Very quiet, tree lined streets, totally safe (no worries about flashing an i-pod)

>no worries about flashing an i-pod

Whew!

Seaver69 is right. In the 180's, the area west of Broadway is called Hudson Heights. It is a world apart from every other uppper manhattan nabe. It's quiet, safe, and the Hudson River views and parks are great. Not to mention that there is an 'A' express station that can get you downtown faster than the train options in some nabes farther south.

"...CRIME IN MANHATTAN

5 safest neighborhoods
1. Upper East Side
2. Upper West Side
3. Inwood
4. Washington Heights
5. Kips Bay

5 least safe neighborhoods
1. Midtown
2. Greenwich village
3. Flatiron
4. Chelsea
5. Murray Hill..."

http://www.amny.com/urbanite-1.812039/uptown-nabes-safer-than-those-in-lower-manhattan-study-1.3152097

If you look at the actual stats, the "major" crime rate was 11.4 per 1,000 in WH versus 12 in East Harlem below 110th or 15.5 in central Harlem.

Meanwhile, its 24.6 in Greenwich Village, 20.9 in Chelsea, and 21.7 in the combined area of Tribecca/Soho/BPC (and since BPC by itself is the safest, JUST Soho and Tribecca would be worse still...)

Murry Hill/Gramercy come in at 22.8, and Midtown west at a whopping 43.1!

So I think its a bit...hmmm, how shall I say...BIASED on the part of certain people of a certain race to compare relatively low crime WH to relatively low crime Harlem rather than to much higher crime but mostly white areas.

As in, why not say its dangerous to flash an i-Pod in the Meatpacking or Hells Kitchen? Because statistically speaking, its unambiguously safer to do so in East or Central Harlem.

Here the map to do the calcs...

http://www.dnainfo.com/crime-safety-report

I only raise the iPod/iPhone/iPad/etc type of issue because this is precisely the issue that the police discuss with the community when I have attended the 30th Precinct Community Board meetings and I am not comparing this issue to other neighborhoods.

>As in, why not say its dangerous to flash an i-Pod in the Meatpacking or Hells Kitchen? Because statistically speaking, its unambiguously safer to do so in East or Central Harlem.

Criminals go where the money is to commit their crime.
Where do they go home to?

huntersburg

yes?

So, semerun, you have never heard of racist police? I guarantee you, more ipods per person are stolen in Hells Kitchen or Chelsea, but the topic never comes up. Not from police or from anyone else.

iPods are stolen where iPods are.

You can't steal an iPod in a neighborhood that doesn't have one.

>you have never heard of racist police?
Is that one of the divisions like SVU?

learn how to read.

Clearly what Jason is saying is:

1 - The criminals are racist and classist and only commit their crimes in majority white, relatively affluent neighborhoods
2 - The police are racist against white people, evidenced - as he is staying - in that they are not reporting iPod crimes that are clearly happening in majority white neighborhoods
3 - The racist anti-white criminals still think that the white people have taste because they are taking their iPods with their music.

I'm on 157th and Broadway. Small, white female - two toddlers and pregnant - used to live in GV. Don't feel unsafe. But also tired of defending the area.

Jason, this is not about racism, this is nothing more than the police reporting a trend to the community. There is a group of teenage boys that are snatching electronic devices out of the hands of someone not paying attention to their surroundings. Quick snatch and grab. I am not arguing whether or not this happens in other neighborhoods- I have no doubt it does. No matter where you are, these devices and the users that aren't alert to their surroundings, are targets.

This is about racism. As Jason is pointing out, white neighborhoods are being unfairly targeted by criminals. And to add insult to injury, the police aren't discussing it - as he says, "but the topic never comes up. Not from police or from anyone else."

Appreciate that Jason is able to call it for what it is.

Stick with above 168th, west of Broadway.

Matt is correct on that - that is the safest part of upper Manhattan. Or indeed Manhattan, outside of Lenox Hill and BPC.

Matt, Jason - that is absolutely not true. I do not understand your bias for this area; unless you're trying to single handedly gentrify it. I love my area, 157th and Broadway, but I would never manipulate other into thinking other parts are unsafe. You might prefer your area but I seriously doubt it's safer. Come down 157th (we have a stop right here) and you will find that Columbia built a charter school at the top of the block. About 18 months ago the police suddenly emerged. They more or less are here, on foot, every weekend. When I asked one of them what was up they said this is completely routine any time a school goes in. Apparently, they're called the quality of life police. It's a whole campaign they do once an area is zoned as a school district. They also put in speed bumps and more intense street lights, in case you're curious. And I didn't feel unsafe before this started. So, the school has been a complete bonus.

Please justify your "safer" statement. I've missed two community meetings this year but attended all the others - the crime statistics, even simple police perception, do not support your assertion. Maybe you should also attend these meetings to get an accurate hit on what's going on in the area - good and bad.

I am going off of crime stats. Inwood and the upper west portion of WH have the lowest crime rates in upper Manhattan. Sorry, its true.

Do the division yourself (and then multiply by a thousand) to get the crimes per 1,000 people.

http://www.dnainfo.com/crime-safety-report

If you want I can send you even more micro-level detail.

You live on 157th, BTW, which is I believe NOT in the area Matt and I were discussing in hte above post.

Do send even more micro level detail. I'll verify it at the next community meeting. Also, what crime is one more likely to encounter when they venture out of the 160s/west of Broadway? Your math doesn't really hold up when you consider Columbia Pres. occupies a large potion of west 160s. The area you're discussing has far fewer households. Do the math - an enormous portion of the west 160s is occupied by the hospital, many, many hospital pavilions, and all the related businesses to service the hospital. So yes, I agree you're probably safer in a hospital than on the street corner but I don't see that as relevant to the average buyer/renter. Inwood is in a different universe than where you're claiming "it's safer." How are you linking Inwood. How many blocks are between Inoowd and 168th St.?

And how am I not in the area - the title of this thread is Hamilton/Washington heights. I live 2 blacks above the dividing line between the two regions.

Uhhh, no dummy, the map I gave you, which you clearly ignored, has number of crimes AND number of people. Fool. Thus you can do the crimes per 1,000 people with simple arithmatic. Also, its COLOR CODED if you are too dumb to do math.

"Sep 7, 2011 – MANHATTAN

Northern Manhattan Safer than Greenwich Village, Says New Crime Report

MANHATTAN — Washington Heights and Inwood are far safer places to live in Manhattan than Greenwich Village and the Meatpacking District, according to a new report by DNAinfo.com that examines crime and safety in the city’s neighborhoods....Inwood and Washington Heights are the third and fourth safest neighborhoods in Manhattan..."

Read more: http://www.dnainfo.com/20110907/manhattan/northern-manhattan-safer-than-greenwich-village-says-new-crime-report#ixzz1Yi49QFtw

Recant now, fool.

I'm not arguing the "safer" point.

I just think that points south of 168th Street are just generally dirtier, noisier, and uglier ... with fewer real choices for shopping and eating, since most of the establishments there are just generally crappy.

Recant now, fool. Dummy?? Really, guys, grow up. My two sons don't even make such juvenile statements. You're not correct. Again, tell me in what meaningful way is 168th St, west of Broadway safer? The article does not substantiate your claim. The article you keep mentioning points out Inwood - it doesn't splice out the west 160s. Also, I was the first one to post this article when it came out--check the threads. So, I have studied it. When you click on the map, though, it requires a login.

Just admit you made a completely groundless assertion, probably because you own or rent there, and move on. It happens, no need to become a assholes over it.

When we were looking to buy, I checked out the police statistics, and was very surprised to learn that Washington Heights has a lower rate on most crimes than the UWS.

As a criminal involved in the creation of the above stats I would like to dispell the rumor that we are all uneducated dopes operating irrespective of demographic analysis.

"When we were looking to buy, I checked out the police statistics, and was very surprised to learn that Washington Heights has a lower rate on most crimes than the UWS."

I made that point over and over again above and linked to sources. Peopl like elize INSIST the crime stats are wrong based on....I will say it...racism.

And no I don't live in WH - I would not live that far up - but because of lack of services and it being too far from where I like to hang out on the island. Not for crime.

Again
"...CRIME IN MANHATTAN

5 safest neighborhoods
1. Upper East Side
2. Upper West Side
3. Inwood
4. Washington Heights
5. Kips Bay

5 least safe neighborhoods
1. Midtown
2. Greenwich village
3. Flatiron
4. Chelsea
5. Murray Hill..."

http://www.amny.com/urbanite-1.812039/uptown-nabes-safer-than-those-in-lower-manhattan-study-1.3152097

Jason - you can't mean me? I LIVE on 157th St and am always defending the safety of the area.

Lived near 145 and St. Nick...I didn't have a problem with it at all...subway is right there...it was fine.

Lived for years on Pinehurst St near 187th St in Hudson Heights... great neighborhood. Very safe, good amenities, good parks, great bang for your buck and lots of space. As long as A isn't under construction on the weekend and there are shuttle buses, easy commute. Much better value than most neighborhoods in Manhattan.