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Low Rates mean building equity fast

Started by Riversider
over 13 years ago
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Don't see too many people comment on the accelerated equity one builds when buying with a low interest rate mortgage. @3% you've amortized down to 89% at five years and 76% at ten years compared to 93% & 84% with the 6% loan of a few years ago. Low interest rates really accelerate principal paydown even without optional prepayments.
Response by caonima
over 13 years ago
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Member since: Apr 2010

just a few penny more on a dollar, you are such a good saver

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Response by w67thstreet
over 13 years ago
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First off ppl should make money by 'working'. So stfu Riversider.

2ndly 'earning' and 'investing' in whats rightfully an 'expense' is akin to subsidizing sugary drinks or smoking.

Why don't we let you invest in stocks with 30yrs fixed loans against apple shares? With historically low rates, you'll be building equit quicker!

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Response by w67thstreet
over 13 years ago
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Just fking shove that cream cheeses down your gullet quicker. Send me the bill at w67. I'm sure my $1mm in sprint gain can support a few extra pounds of cream cheese.

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Response by AvUWS
over 13 years ago
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That could also read as the "accelerated loss of tax deduction" that you had used to justify a higher price.

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Response by Riversider
over 13 years ago
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That tax deduction is false, based on higher monthly payments. Per $100,000 borrowed the 3% payment is 421.60 after vs $600 @ 6%. The tax deduction does not make up for owing a higher payment to begin with.

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Response by usq
over 13 years ago
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The slightly accelerated equity accrual pails in comparison to the principal risk should rates return to normal levels.

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Response by Riversider
over 13 years ago
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Over 30 years per $100k one is making an extra over $64,000 in mortgage payments some of which may not be fully deductible. That is certain and more than compensates for the potential of principal risk and is additionally compensated for by paying back the mortgage in inflation adjusted dollars.

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Response by usq
over 13 years ago
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It is definitely not "certain". Very few mortgages last 30 years.

Macro-economically we are in a liquidity trap. There is significant deflationary risk and purchasing a depreciating asset with borrowed money will end poorly in all cases, no matter the amortization schedule.

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Response by Riversider
over 13 years ago
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usq, Couple of points. When we talk deflation we're speaking of a contraction of credit. The price level is not falling.

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Response by aboutready
over 13 years ago
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No, no, no, usq. Hyperinflation is just around the corner. Just ask riversider. He said so, years ago.

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Response by AvUWS
over 13 years ago
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"When we talk deflation we're speaking of a contraction of credit. The price level is not falling."

The Spanish and Las Vegas real estate markets will be relieved to hear this. Nothing a shot of liquidity can't fix, eh?

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Response by dealboy
over 13 years ago
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Sprint back in the 4's

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Response by w67thstreet
over 13 years ago
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OH NO!!!!!!!!!!!!..SPRINT's at $4.... what will I DO? OH NO..what will I DO (sobbing uncontrollably).......... OH... you mean $4.88... closer to $5... .and way way way up from $2.40.... which is 100%+ gain in 4 months...

I SHOULD JUST JUMP OFF A BRIDGE or BECOME A RE BORKER.

OR MAYBE I SHOULD JUST SELL MY NOV 2012 $3 strike put options... WTF WILL I EVER DO to HEDGE MY $1MM gain... BTW MY AUGUST 200K share august $3 put options expired worthless......... $45K puff.... up in flames... gone .... But that's like crying over the condom bills on the amex card when it comes due 30 days later....

U THINK ME A FINANCIAL RETARD? WHO WOULD BUY A BUBBLE ASSET AT PEAK 2007 PRICES WITH 10x LEVERAGE WITH A $2MM 3% 30year MORTGAGE AND $200K IN MY ENTIRE LIFE SAVINGS AND SIGN UP MY SPOUSE AND MY KIDS' FUTURE FINANCES to SAY I "OWN?"

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Response by w67thstreet
over 13 years ago
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YEP SPRINT at $2.40/share IS SO SO SO MUCH RISKIER THAN BUYING NYC RE in 2007-2014..........

Shall I SELL and lock in my $890K...

Done...

I Bought IT BACK...

I SHOULD SELL...

SOLD!

OH FK... IT"S A BUY... BOUGHT IT BACK....

WHAT AM I THINKING >>>

SOLD!!! $890K PROFIT IN 4 months...

LET THIS BEYTCH ROLL!... back IN!

WAIT A MINUTE.... I'M GONNA LOSE MY SHIRT IN TRANSACTION COSTS!!!! W67 BETTER STOP THIS INSANITY... I MEAN MY INDECISIVENESS ABOVE COST ME $40.

FKTARD... 375K shares... I'M LONG SPRINT TILL IT HITS $10/share.

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Response by Triple_Zero
over 13 years ago
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Hold on a minute, Riversider. *High* interest rates mean *low* selling prices, which means -- assuming you plan to pay down your mortgage aggressively every month -- you'll get done a lot faster than if you were paying off a larger loan.

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Response by Ottawanyc
over 13 years ago
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W67: "like crying over the condom bill" Awesome.

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Response by somewhereelse
over 13 years ago
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> accelerated equity one builds when buying with a low interest rate mortgage

Doesn't come close to making up for the lack of equity building when you overpay. You could have 0% interest, and not build equity.

"Building equity" has been so misused, it is nearing old wives tale status...

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Response by huntersburg
over 13 years ago
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Response by HarlemFF
about 13 years ago
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makes way too much sense

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