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Sale at 361 12th Street #1

Started by kharby2
over 13 years ago
Posts: 279
Member since: Oct 2009
Discussion about 361 12th Street #1
Am I behind in the law? Or just old fashioned? If it's a legal one bedroom, how can the brokerage list it everywhere, and I do mean everywhere, as a two bedroom apartment? I don't like this approach by the brokerage regardless. I speculate that the ceiling height is too low to make it a legal two bedroom, but I don't know what the problem is, since there's no floorplan yet. Somebody who knows more than me, I hope you will comment.
Response by matsonjones
over 13 years ago
Posts: 1183
Member since: Feb 2007

The listing clearly says "... This 1300+ square foot home is a legal one bedroom, but carefully designed and set up as a 2 bedroom, 1 1/2 bath apartment..." as per what the current owners did. They broker is being completely upfront, so I don't see the problem.

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Response by NWT
over 13 years ago
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Member since: Sep 2008

What they're calling a second bedroom is in the cellar, without the light/air/egress required for a proper bedroom. The sliding glass doors lead to a full-depth pit (called "additional private outdoor patio") with a roof of subway grating.

In a new development, the builder would have to call it recreation space, or home office, or some other name not suggestive of sleeping in the Black Hole of Calcutta. There's only a half-bath because the city wouldn't permit a full bath down there, in a vain attempt to keep people from living as if it's 1870 in a Lower East Side tenement.

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Response by Sonya_D
over 13 years ago
Posts: 547
Member since: Jan 2013

The owners of the unit can cut it up however they want -- the broker just covered her butt by saying it a legal 1BR. Which it is. And ONLY is. Where one chooses to sleep (or put a bed) is their business.

Related question: NWT, what is the legal requirement for egress for a bedroom?

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Response by hsg9000
over 13 years ago
Posts: 95
Member since: Jan 2013

You people are being unkind. That would be an absolutely lovely place for a vampire. The cellar is perfect for avoiding those pesky rays of sun. And that easy-backyard-over-the-fence access from the bedroom is ideal for late-night jaunts into the neighborhood to do a little feeding on unsuspecting maidens. You could dash out and have a bite and then be back in your coffin in a jiffy.

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Response by Triple_Zero
over 13 years ago
Posts: 516
Member since: Apr 2012

Wow; they've priced it as if all 1300 of those square feet counted as real square feet -- and for a higher $/sf than the other two apartments in the building went for!

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Response by kharby2
over 13 years ago
Posts: 279
Member since: Oct 2009

Yes, the description says it's a one bedroom, but what bothered me is the listing formally classifies the apartment as a two bedroom.

The narrative description is one thing, but it's often full of silly stuff and we all know it; but the formal description, where you find the monthly charges, the financing limits, pet policy, etc., is inaccurate.

So I have software looking for 2 bedrooms for me, and this apartment came up. But it's not a 2 bedroom, so it should not have come up, in my humble opinion. Very often the narrative description gets separated from the formal listing statistics.

So why is this OK? In my book it's not OK.

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Response by greensdale
over 13 years ago
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Member since: Sep 2012

It isn't. And since most inconvenienced are other brokers who are searching for listings for their clients, the other brokers ought to take note of this broker.

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