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Financing a co-op: downpayment vs prepayment

Started by firstimebuyernyc2012
over 13 years ago
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Member since: Jul 2012
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Hi, I am considering purchasing a co-op. - If I use 100% of my liquid assets, I could put a 35% downpayment on the property. - If I target 1x debt/liquid assets, I could put down 28% - If I put down the minimum (20%), it would leave me with a debt/liquid assets of 0.5x I want to get approved by the co-op board. What is to stop me from presenting just the 20% downpayment (to show a high debt/liquid assets) and then immediately prepay an addition x% of my mortgage, bringing me maybe to 1.5x debt/liquid assets? It would be virtually cost free and the board wouldn't be able to stop me, correct?
Response by stuvwxy99
over 13 years ago
Posts: 39
Member since: Mar 2010

Unless they force you to put funds in Escrow, they have no knowledge of your financial state once you close.

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Response by 300_mercer
over 13 years ago
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firsttime,
You goal is to be approved by the coop and maintain max liquidity post closing for furnishing, reno, rainy day fund (at 1 year of total expenses), and of course other investments. If the min is 20%, you want to look better by putting down 25%. In any case, most banks these days want 25%. 25% may be the magic number as that would give you enough liquidity to show the coop as well. The rates are very low, why such a strong need to pre-pay.

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Response by firstimebuyernyc2012
over 13 years ago
Posts: 29
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So yeah it sounds like my original assumption was right-- for the purposes of the board package, I should "window-dress" debt/liquid assets vs. downpayment, but afterward, I am able to adjust anyway free of cost, at least if that adjustment is MORE down-/pre-payment?

@300_mercer you're right, rates are very low but I also do nothing with my money. I've always maxed out my 401K and IRA contributions, but everything else sits in cash accounts 2% interest. Mortgage would be my only debt, stocks and bonds both seem "too hot" right now, I think my extra cash should just build up a 1 year living expense reserve and then prepay debt to lower monthly payments.

One small caveat about my situation is given the timeline right now, I will receive my bonus (40-60k cash) within 1-2 months of closing. This means even if I leave myself the bare minimum @closing, I will immediate become fairly cash rich. So given this event is on the horizon, that's why I am considering all my financing options. Why borrow more than I need.

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Response by JEM
over 13 years ago
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Member since: Jun 2007

Where do you get 2% interest on a cash account? Thanks.

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Response by firstimebuyernyc2012
over 13 years ago
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Member since: Jul 2012

@JEM rewards checking accounts

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Response by Triple_Zero
over 13 years ago
Posts: 516
Member since: Apr 2012

Firsttimebuyer, are you talking about this? It looks like you'll only make 2% if you have $20k deposited. And they have lots of other conditions:

http://www.fmbanking.com/2239/mirror/p_reward_checking.htm

-3.05% APY* on balances up to $10,000
-1.05% APY* on balances over $10,000
-All you need to do is: make 15 debit card purchases, access online banking, receive monthly e-mail statements, and have one direct deposit or ACH auto debit

(Those are dashes before each item, not minus signs. This isn't Cyprus!)

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Response by firstimebuyernyc2012
over 13 years ago
Posts: 29
Member since: Jul 2012

That is one example of an RCA yes, there are entire hundred-page forums devoted to this topic if you are interested @fatwallet finance.

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Response by csn
over 13 years ago
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Member since: Dec 2007

I maybe missing something but if you have a fixed rate mortgage and you pay additional principal your payments are not lowered, you just pay off the mortgage in less years.

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Response by firstimebuyernyc2012
over 13 years ago
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Member since: Jul 2012

yeah not true for ARM though. if fixed you can usually pay a small fee to have them re-amortize

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