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NYT-Meet the New Landlord-- Wall Street Buyers

Started by cherrywood
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A damning editorial board followup to June 3 Dealbook Piece "Behind the Rise in House Prices, Wall Street Buyers": A lot of people were surprised by the upsurge in home sales and prices last year, especially in some of the nation’s most depressed markets. Nationwide sales prices rose 7.3 percent last year, according to one major index, while prices in hard-hit Phoenix surged 23 percent. Other... [more]
Response by uwsbeagle
over 12 years ago
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This article is bullshit. Was it sponsored by OWS? Firstly it doesn't mention that the housing prices that were buoyed by these investors allowed thousands of people to sell or unload properties they no longer wanted or could afford AND pay back the bank. Secondly, since when has loan modification become an entitlement? If you're long a $500,000 home in Modesto that's now worth $200,000 and you can't afford the payments on your $30,000 annual salary then you SHOULD be in foreclosure. After that you should enroll in a course at the local community college on basic home finance.

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Response by greensdale
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>Was it sponsored by OWS?

No, the New York Times.

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Response by West81st
over 12 years ago
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uwsbeagle: I agree - the editorial makes several questionable assumptions and assertions. On the other hand, I think the original article is pretty good.
http://dealbook.nytimes.com/2013/06/03/behind-the-rise-in-house-prices-wall-street-buyers

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Response by Riversider
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No, not sponsored by OWS but considering long held biases by the New York Times, not surprising either.

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Response by stevejhx
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Yup, and then they had another article:

"As Home Sales Heat Up Again, Buyers Must Resort to Cold Cash"

http://www.nytimes.com/2013/06/09/us/cash-is-fueling-quick-home-sales.html?hp&_r=0

There's probably an inch of truth in both articles, but regarding Wall Street buyers, renting out single-family homes is extremely labor-intensive and capital-intensive and risky. It makes much more sense simply to buy apartment buildings. So while there's no doubt that there are some institutional buyers in some markets, it is unlikely enough to raise prices significantly.

And the cash buyer story: that's probably also true, in this sense: banks halted foreclosure procedures about a year ago. In California, when they auction foreclosed properties, they are auctioned for all cash. Now they have resumed foreclosures, and so foreclosed properties must be bought with cash.

Same thing with the spike in prices and low inventories - when banks stopped foreclosing, prices rose, inventories fell. Foreclosures have resumed again - and inventories are rising because of it.

I can't speak for the NYC market anymore b/c I don't live there, but here in Sunny Ft. Lauderdale price drops of $100,000 are very common. So are people who buy for $425,000 in March and try to flip in May for $575,000, without much success. There's a listing by me for $1.1 million, the purchase price at the peak of the boom, when identical houses are selling for $675,000. You can ask for any price you want, but the appraisal won't come in.

Most of this I believe to be the natural result of the halt of foreclosures. In lien-theory states like NY and Florida, it will take time for foreclosures to filter though the courts; no one bids on the foreclosures except the principal lien-holder. In title-theory states like California and Arizona, on the other hand, all-cash buyers are the rule for foreclosure sales on the courthouse steps.

It's all due to the halting of foreclosures, which are now coming back on the market. It will take years for the housing market to recover from this mess.

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Response by alanhart
over 12 years ago
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What's really interesting on those courthouse steps in the sand states is that banks are determined to outbid everyone else and become the winner at (relatively) very handsome prices. And then they take their time flipping on the open market, with the newer twist that they throw some fix-up money at it so that it's mortgageable (paint, shingles, a new windowpane or two when cracked) ... probably by the new non-all-cash pissant little investors who see all the latest media coverage and rush to get in -- greedy assholes from the East Coast, and from coastal LA & the Bay area, and Canada.

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Response by greensdale
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That is really interesting alan.

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Response by alanhart
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It is. It's really interesting. Really it is.

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