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notice of eviction

Started by tribecaa
over 12 years ago
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My next door neighbor in the coop i live in has just been served an eviction notice for lack of payment of maintenance. What it the typical time line around something like this? Who owns the apartment at the end of the process, the building or the banks? Thanks for your help
Response by fieldschester
over 12 years ago
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Is your neighbor 300_mercer?

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Response by tribecaa
over 12 years ago
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no

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Response by West34
over 12 years ago
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Your neighbor doesnt "own the apartment" he own the shares and has a proprietary lease on the apt. The eviction terminates the lease. The termination of the tenancy means his shares would be sold by the co-op and the proceeds turned over to him after the costs of the sale, litigation expenses and other amounts due have been deducted. If he has a mortgage the bank has a lien on the shares. At least that's my understanding (and I'm neither a lawyer nor a plumber.)

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Response by tribecaa
over 12 years ago
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assuming there is a mortgage tied to the property, does the bank typically make good on the unpaid maintenece and then take ownship of the property ahead of foreclosure?

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Response by West34
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Response by West34
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There's no foreclosure. The apt (shares) just get sold, lender gets paid, coop gets paid, evicted owner gets the rest (their equity).

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Response by streetsmart
over 12 years ago
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Inorder to evict, this I believe has to go to landlord tenant court.

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Response by tribecaa
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thanks for your help on this. it loocks like its a quick process.

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Response by NWT
over 12 years ago
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The order of liens is, first the co-op and then the lender. The former owner gets anything remaining.

The co-op is obliged to notify the lender of maintenance arrears, so the lender may step in and pay the arrears and add that amount to what it's owed.

The recognition agreement probably controls what happens when, as far as a lender goes.

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Response by streetsmart
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Not necessarily a quick process if the owner has a grievance against the coop which comes out in court.

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Response by alanhart
over 12 years ago
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Assuming we're talking TriBeCa, is your neighbor's situation really so unsalvageable? She can't get a roommate and start catching up on maintenance/mortgage? Or move somewhere else and sublet the subject property for a couple of years until her situation improves?

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Response by tribecaa
over 12 years ago
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I simply dont know alanhart. I was just curious as to the legal timeline for resolving the issue.

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Response by jelj13
over 12 years ago
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The order of claim is the BANK then the cooperative. Been there on the Board. The first time this happened, the owner was going through a divorce, the husband moved out, and neither party paid maintenance for almost 2 years. When the wife moved, she took a sledge hammer to the kitchen cabinets, bathtubs, sinks, and toilets. We didn't get all we were owed back since the apartment was devalued significantly.

After that incident, our attorney set up escalating letters for non-payment with hefty fines. The third month was the trigger for going to court. We did bring one resident to court twice before they sold. They thought they could coast without paying maintenance and got tired of the harassment and fines.

In my current building, they publish the names of residents who have more than 3 months of back maintenance due. This appears in the lobby and on Building Link.

I would add that if non-payment is related to a dispute with the Board, you have to set up an escrow account with your maintenace deposited each month. You have to notify the Board about that.

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Response by NWT
over 12 years ago
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The order of claim is determined by the recognition agreement. Did your co-op not have one between itself, the shareholder, and the lender? Or did the agreement give first dibs to the bank? Either story would be unusual.

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Response by Guywithcat
over 12 years ago
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Jelj13, disclosure of an unpaid debt is against the law. If your attorney is giving you this advice, get another attorney.

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Response by Guywithcat
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Public disclosure that is

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Response by West34
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re: disclosure of an unpaid debt is against the law

now there's an interesting question - is it legal in a ccop to post the names of shareholders who are delinquent. It's a private corporation......???

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Response by front_porch
over 12 years ago
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^^ what NWT said about the recognition agreement (known colloquially as the Aztech), with the added caveat that it's still a long way between a notice of eviction and a change in control of the shares of stock. Delinquent shareholder still has a chance to pay the delinquent maintenance, and likely will.

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Response by Sonya_D
over 12 years ago
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West34,
I'd say that postage of such names in the lobby would be public disclosure -- visitors, staff, etc. can plainly see it. However, if the document containing the names were for example to be sent in an email to all shareholders with a privacy notice at the bottom (as is standard procedure with company emails), then THAT would be legal. Just my hypothesis though :-)

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Response by NYCMatt
over 12 years ago
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"The order of claim is the BANK then the cooperative."

Wow. Someone at your co-op fucked up. The whole purpose of the recognition agreement is to protect the co-op.

In nearly ALL co-ops, the order of the claim is the CO-OP first, then the lender.

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Response by selyanow
over 12 years ago
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As stated, the Aztech recognition agreement that all co-ops have protects the co-op BEFORE the bank. In a condo, its bank first. But it seems like its a far away timeline for eviction as there are many factors involved including any potential legal grievances etc. The government (taxes)will get paid first, then co-op, then, bank, and down the line. http://nyforeclosures.com/mastering/co-op_main.html

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Response by fieldschester
over 12 years ago
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Hmm, I wonder then which building it is that 300_Mercer is having his financial troubles in.

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Response by jelj13
over 12 years ago
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Guywithcat: I have nothing to do with the building posting unpaid maintenance as I am not on the Board. No one has complained, not even the people who have their names posted.

When I was on the Board in my last building, we kept these matters private. We did discuss the amount of unpaid maintenance at meeetings for residents. We did not disclose the names of the residents as we felt that would be tacky.

Aztech: I was in a building that converted to a coop in the mid '80s and there was no Aztech agreement. (Still have the paperwork from that purchase, along with the "mortgage".) This came up as an issue years later when people wanted to refinance to pay for renovations. Those who had "mortgages" taken during the conversion were pretty upset when they found out the amount of paperwork the Board mandated for any new "mortgages". That's when they saw the differences between coops and condos.

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Response by rb345
over 12 years ago
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1. in most cases a lender on the property will pay the Coop what it is owed
2. if it is owned free and clear and the owner cant pay he can file bankruptcy

3. the bankrupcy court will then stay the Coop's court claim and, if a deal
for payment of arrears cant be arranged, order the apt sold

4. recent cases have given bankruptcy trustees the right to assume debtors
rent-stabilized leases and sell them

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