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Rent Controlled Units as long term investment

Started by OrigQuestion
almost 9 years ago
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I am a young professional currently thinking about buying a few rent controlled units as long term investments (15+ years). If you find a unit with a tenant 70+ years of age living alone, why wouldn't one of these apartments be a great buy? It seems like apartments that are rent stabilized are selling at a 70% discount to market value. Even if holding these properties until I retire, it seems like the upside is still there. I am definitely not an expert and hope to benefit from the collective wisdom of everyone here! Bonus Questions : (1) Can you deduct the difference between rental income and mortgage servicing costs as a tax loss? (2) Is there any reason you would not be able to access the equity on the property after 10 years of payments?
Response by miker430
almost 9 years ago
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I have done this 20 years ago with apartments in Kew Gardens. It was one of the best investments I ever made but the market is much different now and investors have pushed up prices of these occupied apartments and the tenants or more aware of their rights. Your biggest problem would be right of succession the 70+ tenant might have a 40 year old child that has the right to take the apartment and I think in NYC its double succession so it could be taken over by the following generation. So price would be the most important factor in taking this risk and not dumping a lot of money in it every month. My two cents.

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Response by 300_mercer
almost 9 years ago
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A have heard of a 70 year old gay guy getting married to 40 year old woman so that rent control continues after his death and to extract bigger settlement to move.

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Response by Aaron2
almost 9 years ago
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Everything abovve plus one name: Jeanne Calment.

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Response by Bill7284
almost 9 years ago
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Jeanne finally gave up her French Stabilized apartment. She said she wanted to wait until all the kids were dead.

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Response by eriegel
almost 9 years ago
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If I remember correctly someone bought her French country home and then croaked well before her. She stated "Everyone makes some bad investments" or something f the sort

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Response by ph41
almost 9 years ago
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Think you have to be nuts

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Response by 300_mercer
almost 9 years ago
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Orig, You may want to keep in mind that there are professionals doing it ,who know the loopholes, how to negotiate with the clients (sometimes harass using illegal tactics) and have expert lawyers on staff, willing to pay higher than some one without an edge. As in any investing, you need to understand what your edge is?

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Response by 9d8b7988045e4953a882
almost 9 years ago
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I wouldn't get involved in that type of investment. The tenant might live a lot longer than expected, someone might 'inherit' the lease, the laws could change, etc. The rent will also not keep pace with inflation, resulting in a larger monthly loss over time. These tenants rarely leave if the rent is far below market rate. I would leave it to the professionals who specialize in that area.

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Response by nyc_sport
almost 9 years ago
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You could not possibly consider doing this as a one off investment, particularly in Manhattan. In the outer boros, the rent difference between stabilized/not stabilized is not as steep. If you were buying 50 of them, and could share maintenance and other expenses, get periodic boons from vacancies to offset the substantial losses, perhaps this might make sense. The rudimentary tax question you ask makes clear that you are not ready for this ride, which is bumpy with a lot of potholes, and some sink holes.

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Response by fieldschester
almost 9 years ago
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I would definitely do it. Someone's got to make money on these real estate assets, why not you?

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Response by 30yrs_RE_20_in_REO
almost 9 years ago
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Risk diversification: it doesn't make sense to buy one or two but it does make sense to buy 100.

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Response by fieldschester
almost 9 years ago
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If you have the money to buy 100.

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