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Pre-war stained doors and base moldings

Started by 300_mercer
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It seems that every one including Robert A.M. Stern at Belnord is going for the painted panel door look rather than stained wood look. Any prewar experts on the board? 1. Were the doors in pre-wars originally painted or stained? 2. What about base molding and door jambs / trims? 3. Is the current general buyer preference painted look for panel doors which is what you are seeing in pre-war like new developments or conversions? Or is it just cost as MDF doors need to be painted. I do see no panel (flat) doors which show wood grain. 4. Primer: What do you see in the pre-war gut Reno’s? Thank you.
Response by Aaron2
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One thing I have seen in pre-WW1 construction: Doors, baseboards, and trim (and some wall paneling) were made of cheaper woods, and faux-grained to look like better woods (back when materials were expensive and labor was cheap). Changes in taste away from the Victorian preference for darker wood, and the increased expense of high-end woods (mahogany started becoming scarce) marked the move to painted finishes throughout. (think of the difference between Victorian and Edwardian decor in England, for example).

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Response by 300_mercer
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Thank you Aaron. Would you say painted is the standard now for high end pre-war apartments?

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Response by 300_mercer
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Thank you very much Ali. I will look through these links.

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Response by 300_mercer
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And I ordered the book.

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Response by 30yrs_RE_20_in_REO
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A lot of the Ajello designed buildings (885 and 895 West End Ave in particular) used decorative hardwoods for doors, mouldings, etc.
When we did 3B in 885 WEA we spent about 4 or 5 months stripping, repairing, staining doors and mouldings and even had a custom knife made to reproduce the door surround for a doorway we added.

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Response by 300_mercer
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Sounds like an amazing restoration project. If the originals moldings and doors were not salvagable, would you have done painted doors and mounding or stained wood?

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Response by 30yrs_RE_20_in_REO
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We probably would have patched and painted the existing.

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Response by 300_mercer
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Thank you.

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Response by Aaron2
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Thanks for the links Ali. I think the general taste is toward single-color painted finishes (remember when marbleizing was the trend?), though the library / den with stained wood finishes may always be with us (I hope!). And, to buck the trend, I'll offer up:
https://streeteasy.com/building/the-dakota/66
Why would you paint doors and trim like that?
(also think the cloud, linen drape, and faux tufted wallpapers are pretty great, as well)

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Response by 300_mercer
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Aaron, That is very beautiful. I do not think any one will paint the beautiful well preserved wood doors, door trim and moldings in that apartment.

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Response by 30yrs_RE_20_in_REO
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300,
I think you would be shocked at the extent people are painting well preserved wood details in homes throughout this country.

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Response by 300_mercer
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No!!! As an expert wood hobbyist in my teens, facilitated by my parents owning a wood and steel custom fabrication business, I am horrified.

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Response by 30yrs_RE_20_in_REO
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There are a number of "old house" groups on Facebook where there are tons of "before and after" posts with people whitewashing beautiful woodwork.

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Response by 300_mercer
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What a shame!! I am guessing they wanted to change the layout and remove the fire place. It would have been more expensive to recreate the wood work and light Lu sand and stain the wood to a different color. But it is a $4-5mm house. So cost shouldn’t have been a too big of a factor.

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Response by Aaron2
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"Reinvented" in a renovation description is always a red flag word.

On painting/repainting: Much depends on the period: Federal and Greek Revival homes had painted trim. Much of that was stripped off when people thought that old houses should look 'rustic' (post WWII), and now are being repainted as part of a restoration. (Or the owners got the failing paint off, then ran out of energy to repaint - been there, done that).

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Response by 300_mercer
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Ali, Thank you for the book recommendation. I received it today. Great book with history and sample floorplan / picture from most famous prewar buildings. Trim in most of them is painted white or off-white. There are indeed a few wood ones but mostly in library and lobby.

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Response by 300_mercer
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While both are very nice, I would have preferred first one with contemporary kitchen and bathroom. Some of the history and beautiful door / molding are destroyed in the second one.

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Response by stache
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There's quite a bit of unpainted wood in the Midwest. People like the low maintenance.

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