372 CPW rental

Impressive. How is the UWS in the upper nineties?

don't bring a broker... drop a note to doorman for unit owner... say $4,000 for 1 year and put a cell phone # and your credit score. w/ no broker, $4K is a fair price ($4,500/12). Good luck....

I guess it's techie trying to rent the 2bdrom and rent a studio somewhere... :)

"We don't need no water... let the ..... burn" :)

w67th - (1) that is unethical, since you found the apartment from a broker, (2), I am sure the owner is obligated to pay the broker regardless and (3) he would never get your note, since he doesn't live there - why do you think he is so desperate?

Obviously don't bring another broker. But not sure you can avoid going through the listing one.

jgr - good question. The building and block were very nice. I know there are projects a few blocks away, and I know if you have to walk to Broadway, you pass by some so-so areas around Columbus, but nothing bad.

n99... a doorman worth his salt will get him the msg...

Inquire about rentals at park west village (784, 788, 792 Columbus) 212-665-5700. Not as nice as the condo buildings (formerly PWV) if you are trying to avoid broker fees and more annoying condo move-in rules. You can also walk into the building on 97 bet Columbus and Amst (with the upgraded entrances) and inquire, I think it's a Stonehenge mgt building. Why not Key West and Westmont? In other words, there are plenty of straight rental buildings close by.

"w67th - (1) that is unethical, since you found the apartment from a broker"

It's just business.

That could almost make me want to move to the UWS. Newb- great find!

Yes, plenty of rental buildings nearby. None right on Central Park, with Central Park views. Regardless, I am not trying to "sell" this apartment, just mentioning an interesting data point.

What an atrocious building. It looks like a public housing project.

"The building and block were very nice. I know there are projects a few blocks away, and I know if you have to walk to Broadway, you pass by some so-so areas around Columbus, but nothing bad."

IMO, I would pass on this place b/c of the location. The price is good for the amount of space. I think you would pay less b/c of what newbuyer99 describes above. BUT, I would recommend seeing the neighborhood for yourself if interested.

uwsmom — do you know ANY location in Manhattan that does not get imperfect within a few blocks?

Yes, I do.

This is one of the many things that makes NYC an inferior city to Chicago. In NYC you cannot walk for more than 5 blocks or so, before running into a really grimy area, whether it's housing projects, or just low-grade retail. In Chicago, you can start from the loop and walk northwards for about SIX MILES before running into a bad area. The only housing projects are on the far south and far west side. Chicago has been gentrified successfully while NYC is struggling to keep up.

Rufus - do you live in NYC? Are you being held hostage here?

uwsmom, it's interesting that you agree with my assessment of NYC.

Heh one of the few times I agree with rufus about manhattan. It never ceases to amaze me how junky some blocks of manhattan are in prime locations. That's what rc, rs, 80/20, and liberal anti-gentrification groups get you.

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This is one of the many things that makes NYC an inferior city to Chicago. In NYC you cannot walk for more than 5 blocks or so, before running into a really grimy area.

If that isn't proof enough you don't live here I don't know what the hell is. 5 blocks? You can't walk 5 blocks without running into a grimy area? This is so beyond absurd I can't even piece together a response.

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I must have had a lapse of consciousness

Sizzlack, jgr agrees with me on this one. Manhattan is dirty and grimy compared to Chicago. This is the result of decades of liberal policies.

I went with my brother to look at that apartment he purchased it I live in that building to.

All I have to say is you missed out because:

Now is the time to buy at 372 CPW.

Buy now at 372 CPW or be priced out forever.

Go to the sales opps rent office at 372 CPW and catch that falling knife for sale.

Am I supposed to care who the fu** agrees with you? So "jgr" agrees, thank god because we all know what what he says is simply matter of fact.

I never even said anything about dirt or anything compared to Chicago, but this does shed light on how your brain functions. Anything someone says automatically gets turned into a competition between the two cities. Whatever.

What I DID say however was that your belief that you cannot walk more than 5 blocks in any direction in NYC without running into "a really grimy area" is proof you do not live here. Because anyone with half a brain and the ability to use their two legs to maneuver around the city knows that you can walk many, many blocks in different directions without "running into a grimy area".

That has absolutely nothing to do with any kind of policy, let alone liberal policy.

If you have a 5 block radius that's 78.5 blocks as the crow flies. Less if walking but more if you are counting crosstown blocks. You tell me the 78.5 block region that doesn't have projects or lowend retail in manhattan. I'm not saying that I don't love manhattan...but your assertion that crappy areas aren't within 5 blocks is nonesense.

Unfortunately I cannot fly. If I am standing at 5th Ave and 8th St, and go 5 blocks N, S, E or W, what "grimy area" am I in? The ghettos of Greenwich Village?

If I am standing at the corner of Bleeker and Bank St, and go 5 blocks in any direction, what ghetto am I in then?

who said anything about low end retail? I am solely going off of the claim Rufus made: "In NYC you cannot walk for more than 5 blocks or so, before running into a really grimy area."

Are you stupid or did you not read his next sentance?

And grenwich village has plenty of lowend retail.

Perhaps you haven't read much Rufus, but "low end retail" to him could mean absolutely freakin anything on earth. If it doesn't live up to Chicago standards by him it's "low end retail". Where are the PJs in the village?

I suppose you haven't realized he uses terms like that to try and paint all of NYC as "low end" and full of projects.

do you not understand the word OR?

I don't think you get the point I was trying to make. Low end OR not, where is the grimy area? What part of the West Village is "really grimy"? Or GV?

Sizzlack, you're getting really defensive. Please calm down when jgr and I are making rational arguments.

Go to the area around the PATH station on Christopher Street, in the west village. It's pretty shady, with bunch of freaks and weirdos hanging around.

By freaks and wierdos you mean residents of the West Village?

Nothing you have ever said is rational. Care to tell us the direction of 7th Avenue?

Rational and valid are not synonomous.

I could step outside of my apartment and walk 5 blocks, or more, in ANY direction - let's not forget what radium means - and not find a "grimy" area or projects. Low-end retail is up for debate. Shall we operationalize all our terms on this frigid sunday afternoon?

I could make an even stronger case if I lived in a prime UES neighborhood.

that should have been "radius", not radium...LOL

Sizzlack, there are a bunch of gay trannies who hang out in that area, and a decent number of them are violent. Also, that area is really worn down and shady.

UES is even worse. The area east of third avenue is pretty awful and with the second avenue subway construction going on, it's become an unlivable area.

I don't hang around the PATH station on Christopher St. at 2AM so I wouldn't know, but you seem to know the deal quite a bit, which suggests you frequent the area, for what purposes I can only imagine.

Rufus don't you find it just a little bizarre you are able to tell us who hangs out at the Christopher St. PATH station in the middle of the night but are unable to tell us the direction of 7th Avenue?

Haha Sizzlack got pwned on his specific example so he resorts to insults.

And the UES comment was just stupid. 5 blocks is from Park to York Ave. You telling me that I'm not going to find shitty blocks around 2nd, 1st, and York? You are fooling yourself.

Where is the insult? I myself have not seen any trannys over there, so Rufus seems to know more than I. I can only infer as to why, but I am not exactly sure how it's insulting. Pwned? Did you take a break from World of Warcraft to comment just now?

Sizzlack, can you please comment on jgr's valid arguments before resorting to ad hominem attacks? Are you really gonna deny that there are plenty of grimy blocks east of third avenue? If you think jgr and I are correct, then just say so.

Oh please you are one of the most bigoted people on this board. Grimy blocks east of third avenue? Do you realize how large of an area that is? Probably not because you're in Chicago. Third Ave runs from about 10th Street to 128th St. It also runs roughly 10 avenues west. Why don't you just phrase what you mean... "are you really gonna deny that there are grimy blocks in NYC". No one is denying that Rufus. But when you make stupid statements like if you walk 5 blocks in any direction you will encounter "really grimy areas", you are going to get called on it.
Would you like to narrow down that absolutely gigantic section of land or do you just want to do what you do with everything else, cast a giant blanket over it and call it a day.
Do you deny that there are plenty of grimy blocks west of Lake Shore Drive? BTW, direction of 7th avenue?

Excuse me I described West. As for East, its still 120 blocks N/S and 3 or more Avenues, which is still a gigantic area. Care to narrow it down?

You would have to walk for a few MILES west of lake shore drive, before you encounter really grimy areas. My earlier assertion stands. If you start in the loop, and start walkig northwards, it will be SIX MILES before you encounter grimy areas. Can you say the same for Manhattan? Absolutely not.

I don't see how this is relevant to our discussion, but 7th avenue runs from north to south.

"And the UES comment was just stupid. 5 blocks is from Park to York Ave. You telling me that I'm not going to find shitty blocks around 2nd, 1st, and York? You are fooling yourself."

I suppose you would need to see it to believe for yourself. Enjoy!

Congrats Rufus it only took you 3 months to figure out the direction of the avenue!

Sizzlack, once again you fail to address my earlier claim. Can you walk for six miles in Manhattan without encountering grimy areas?

Truly one of the stupidest questions I have ever heard. Can you walk 6 miles and not encounter a grimy area? 6 miles is practically the length of the entire Island from bottom to the top of Central Park. Do you know how many different neighborhoods make up this gigantic swath of land? Of course there are going to be grimy areas. I have never denied that. What I took issue with, and what is ridiculous, is your claim that you cannot walk 5 blocks in any direction without encountering a "really grimy area". But then again to you, a grimy area is any place that isn't uber luxurious, full of white people and located in Chicago. You started at 5 blocks, now you're at 6 miles.

Sizzlack, this is proof then that Chicago is more gentrified than NYC. The fact that you can walk for 6 miles in Chicago without seeing projects and other grimy areas, is indicative of the great job Chicago has done with cleaning up bad areas and gentrifying.

No one who has been to both cities can refute this point because it's simply true.

If that's what you have to tell yourself to make the voices go away then so be it. My question is, what good is an artificial term like 'gentrification' worth when the murder rate is three times higher in Chicago?
If crime is more rampant in Chicago (which it undeniably is), a term like 'gentrification' is meaningless.

Sizzlack, how many times do I have to say this to you. The violent crimes in Chicago are limited to the far south and far west side, whic are NOT gentrified. Why can't you just admit that jgr and I are right and that you're wrong?

Why are you so obsessed with words like 'gentrify' and 'luxury'? If you are right, which I do not think you are, why can't you just let Chicago speak for itself? If it is as magnificent as you preach, just let it be and the stats will prove it. You won't find any New Yorkers trolling Chicago message boards ranting about how amazing the city is because we just let it speak for itself. And it must be speaking pretty loudly because you have become completely obsessed with comparing every single aspect of life here and there. It proves nothing, it is your slanted opinion and nothing more. No matter how much you beat your chest and scream at us that Chicago is better in every way imaginable, at the end of the day we go to bed in NYC and don't care what labels you attach to your precious city to make you sleep better at night.

You might find this one interesting:

THE DECLINE OF CHICAGO: THE CITY THAT DOESN'T WORK

http://www.newgeography.com/content/0040-the-decline-chicago-the-city-doesnt-work

Rufus please disprove all of the following claims from the above article:

"Chicago used to be the number one convention town in America but Las Vegas and Orlando now lead the pack. Chicago has lost its top spot as busiest airport to Atlanta. Chicago's high priced unions and restrictive work rules have driven business elsewhere. For decades, Chicago was a major banking center with two major banking headquarters located on LaSalle Street. Continental Bank and First National Bank of Chicago were always among the top ten largest banks for much of the twentieth century.

No longer. Continental was purchased by Bank of America while First National Bank of Chicago was purchased by JP Morgan. Not a single bank in the top 25 largest banks in America is headquartered in Chicago. While Chicago’s financial district declines Charlotte, North Carolina has emerged as a bigger banking town. Charlotte has the headquarters of two of the four largest banks in America: Wachovia and Bank of America.

Other elements of Chicago’s financial district also show major weaknesses. Chicago doesn’t have one major mutual fund company headquarters. Chicago’s mutual fund job base is smaller than Denver, Indianapolis, or Baltimore. Chicago has a few major hedge funds but nothing like New York City or London. Chicago is the futures capital of America with the merger of the Chicago Mercantile Exchange and the Chicago Board of Trade but even here the news isn’t all positive. Computers have shed tens of thousands of jobs in the futures industry. Futures trading floors are headed for extinction within the next three to seven years, eliminating even more jobs."

Price reduced to 3999 (I think that signals "negotiable" - why would anyone agree to write/type checks for 3999 each month?) in case anyone is interested.