Major Renovation - Time Table
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Several recent posts involved questions of "gut" or extensive renovations. I thought it would be helpful for others to weigh in on their experiences with renovation time lines and what one can reasonably expect. FWIW, my experience with extensive renovation of 1-bdrm is that you aren't getting through it in less than 7 months. The time breaks down as follows: Pre-closing: interview architects and... [more]
Several recent posts involved questions of "gut" or extensive renovations. I thought it would be helpful for others to weigh in on their experiences with renovation time lines and what one can reasonably expect. FWIW, my experience with extensive renovation of 1-bdrm is that you aren't getting through it in less than 7 months. The time breaks down as follows: Pre-closing: interview architects and hire one; after contract gain access to apt with architect to measure and begin design plans while sale moves toward closing. Post-closing. Month 1-2: finalize design plans, file plans with coop with alteration agreement documents. Month 2: back and forth with board & building engineer until approved; if plans must be redrawn after board comments, add another 2-4 weeks to process; once approved, send bid set drawings to 3 contractors that have already been lined up. Month 3: select contractor, expeditor to get permits, city filings done, insurance certs. to building managing company; arrangements for reno finalized between contractor and building. Month 4: Demolition begins and rough carpentry starts Month 5: Electrical work, plumbing, end rough carpentry, floors, concrete, soundproofing, etc.; start finish carpentry Month 6: Finish work continues with painting kitchen installation, tiling and stone work, more floors Month 7: Appliances, punch list, lighting fixtures etc. If holidays fall in here, add time (typically no work for x-mas week and week before New Years, other holidays; work hours limited to 9-5 or even less in some bldgs); surprises in the walls, crew doesn't work every single day, kitchen cabinets are late, tile doesn't come on time--add time. Change orders will kill you in the wallet and with delays. The more planning the better. OCD helps the job go smoothly. Hire the architect to oversee construction with you. Visit the sight daily--or twice a day. Keep a short leash on it. Communicate constantly with contractor and architect through weekly sight meetings. Maintain rapport with the construction crew chief. All this in best case scenario for a one-bedroom extensive renovation will take 7 months from closing minimum. Larger apartment, longer time. That's my experience. Would be curious what others have to say. [less]
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I think that kylewest did an excellent job giving you the true picture of what to expect. Many times we get people who are completely not in touch with reality and do not know what to expect and what they want. The more you know ahead of time, the better you are in terms of cost, time management and aggrevation. We specialize in helping people in situatations like that and I do beleive we can help you cut the time substantially with propoer organization and management. Feel free to call us with no obligation.
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I'll just add that a combination of two (or more) apartments has a longer timeline. In my case, selecting an architect/designer, contractor, finalizing plans, designs, NYC approval, coop approval will take much longer than 1-2 months. On top of that, getting approval from a co-op may not give you the right to begin work. Some Co-ops have limits on the amount of project going on in the building at one time. I'd say it's at least a 6 month time table (compared to OP's timetable of 3 months), but likely more. Mine took over 9 just to get to the start of work and demolition.
Bottom line is any building/project as going to be different. The timeline above is good in identifying the major steps and seems appropriate for a 1BR reno. My experience for a combo of 2 1BR would lead me to say at least double the time for each phase above (except for maybe the work in months 5 & 6: Electrical work, plumbing, end rough carpentry, floors, concrete, soundproofing, finish work continues with painting kitchen installation, tiling and stone work).
I also did a complete gut and renovation of 2 1-bedrooms in a co-op. Closed around September, work proceeded in November (we were aggressive) and we moved in May of the following year. All depends on how fast you can get approval from your building. Money opens doors :)
Oh I'd like to add it is crucial to get the alteration agreement from the managing agent first. Our building does not accept submissions until all the contractor agreements are in place FIRST.