We recently wanted to rent at the Sessanta and right after we were approved were told we would be given a rent discount of $400 (from $3,525 to $3,125 with two months free on a 13 months lease). Happy about our discount (which overshadowed the crappy neighborhood), and on the day before we had an appointment to sign the lease, management called us to tell us that they had made a "mistake" and that there was no discount at all. No discount? Especially because most of the building is still in construction!? We had already put in our 30-day notice, settled on furniture, gotten together our funds, etc. and felt like this was literally extortion. Either we pay the now increased rent price or we are basically stranded. After a few days of back-and-forth with an incredibly arrogant manager (Sha) who acted like he was doing us a favor by gracing us with his apartment and who kept insisting he was taking responsibility for this mistake by giving us now a $75 discount (??), we finally sent them to hell. Not because of the price, but because of the treatment. We are happy to pay even more than the original price. However, only if everything is in order and certainly not with this type of management. AND, make no mistake, Sessanta is NOT anywhere near Columbus Circle and YES there is nothing but projects, parking lots and construction in the immediate neighborhood.
We visited the Sessanta and got a creepy vibe. We walked when we discovered their "pet friendly" attitudes stopped at 35 pounds. So, maybe the building is full of nasty little aggressive doggies instead of our sweet Yellow Lab.
Sounds like you made a good decision to just walk!
living there now. generally happy with the unit. it's spacious, new and relatively reasonably priced. but algin sucks. they are a pain to deal with and definitely not one you can trust. as opposed to pan am, my last landlord, who was always willing to work with me. there is a lot of construction growing pains that are annoying, but for now its still worth it. in a month, if things are still like this, then it will not have been.
odd - not sure about the dog policy, but i've seen them bigger than 35lbs in the building. and yes, the location is very bleh. it's a long 7 - 10 minute walk to time warner, which for some may not be worth it. particuarly in the bleak winter cold, which i have not had to deal with yet.
i don't know. find me a 1450 sq ft brand new apartment with washer dryer for ~ 5k in the upper west side (60s - 80s). 2 br, 2 ba, + 11x13 media room. i haven't found it other than here. but yeah, the location kind of blows.
i agree that there is still plenty of construction esp with the tennis court, pool and gym etc but i think the area is excellent (less the fact that there is minimal retail). hudson river, centrl park, lincoln center, time warner center etc,,, Sorry to hear they scammed you on the rental concession, thats just plain wrong!
Go instead with the boutique condo next door... Enjoy, because when this place is completely finished its going to be great and happy to live here
i had the same scam pull on me earlier this summer. i had agreed to pay $1995 for a studio on a lower level. i agreed this price with one of the brokers. then this sha character comes and says that the studio is not for rent yet and that he will only rent another unit for $2400.
yes, the immediate 1 block radius is bleh. but its 7 - 10 minutes to time warner, 5 minutes to lincoln center, 5 minutes to riverside park, etc.. i can think of many more "lousy" locations than this.
Well, marco_m, touche, the developer and on-site broker are tools, and have alienated enough would-be renters who comment in threads such as this. It will be fun to watch the rates drop at this place.
somewhereelse - i hear you to some extent. although let me add "in manhattan" to my original statement. personally, i'll take this over a lot of places in that stretch between 96th and houston, like anything above 90th, and basically anything between 30th - 50th, but to each his own.
oh yeah, the tennis court is $40 / hour. so not really an "amenity"
I made a trip there the other day and my initial impression, as I live in the 300 block of 56th St, was why was I walking so far west to an address that should actually be to the east of me. Anyway, the building has its construction challenges in the lobby, elevator, etc. but it will be great when completed. The living spaces are spacious, Apt 9M is nicely staged with an impressive view. The rents seemed a bit high for the distance from the subway, fine in warmer weather but winters there are going to be no picnic as the high winds pass over the icy Hudson. The doors to closets left me with an "institutional" feel. The closets in a NYC Housing project have solid wood doors and for the rents they're charging, one would expect a much better door selection. What I found highly distasteful were the charges for 'amenities'. Some examples, $500/yr per tenant for the gym, sauna & pool, a $250 deposit for washer/dryer plus $45 per month and $40/hr for the tennis courts, also not completed yet. For the rents they charge in a possibly 2-fare zone, their 'amenities' pricing needs to be re-visited. But in the end, its all a matter of one likes and will tolerate. To those currently residing there, I hope your experience will ultimately be positive but I do hope for your sake, they drop those rents drastically and quickly.
yeah, my wife refers to this as the ala carte menu, because every little ticky tack thing is an incremental charge. also, if you like quiet apartments, where you can't ever hear your neighbors, this is not the place. i can hear **everything** next door - thankfully my neighbors are pretty quiet. having lived in older buildings, the noise level was kind of a surprise to us. is this the state of new construction these days?
This is my renting dilemma. Luxiry is hardly what it claims. The new buildings have cheap finishes high prices and all the bullshit of their pretend exclusivity and amenity charges.
The old places are falling apart and things like Styvesant Town are not being maintained.
I wonder if the 50s/60s/70s co-ops are better because the owners want it or they are old owners who don't care about the upkeep.
the problem is that to buy, my monthly costs would be substantially higher. so rent we do...
you put $250 down on w/d, i guess in case it breaks. The $45 is a basically a rental fee. i had to have the w/d, so basically i mentally just raised my rent $45 per month to get a unit with w/d. i know i'm way overpaying, but it feels better when i just lump it into rent.
Love the location, its quiet and 5 to 8 min walk to eveything important in Lincoln Square. Also I am sure there will be plenty of retail in the area in 2010. The John Jay college expansion and the completion of all the buildings will be a huge benefit. I hear the construction quality of the adjacent condo is amazing and feel as the the rental is top quality as well. Major negative is all the lies from the brokers and developers on timing. I think it will be many many more months until the buildng is complete.
sorry, but you must be a slow walker. my wife, pushing a stroller w/ kid, gets from our place to TWC in 10 minutes. i do it in about 8, in the morning. that's with me walking briskly. and i'm not a power walker.
Fred: the finishes are nice. however, i would not equate the construction quality of the condos (very nice) to that of the rental (not as nice). as i overheard one of the construction workers in my apartment one day, when i asked him to fix something up, he muttered "dude, it's not like you are buying the place..." really nice. i've had some issues in my apartment that you would not expect in top line construction.
You must mean when it is dry with the wind on your back. See what your time is in the dead of winter going uphill in icy side walk. That is when I timed it b/c it is the most dreadful time of all.
hsw: haha. fair point. i'm bracing myself for the winter. will probably go into hibernation with wifey and kid.
surprisingly, i've gotten used to the housing projects. it was a big concern when we moved there, but hasn't really ever been an issue. then again, we don't tend to go out late, so haven't been out there in later hours.
Walk to subway not really an issue, location near projects not an issue. Biggest issue: no neighborhood restaurants or bars. My biggest problem with the neighborhood was that the new buildings are all large and glassy with no small retail spaces for restaurants and bars (only a chocolate shop)
Bigdude2000, you are right about the noise level. I hear every single sound in the hallway, elevator beep (even thought I'm on the other side of it), casual conversations, and OMG, shutting the doors.
But noise is not the biggest issue for me. Sessanta moved the front desk to the middle of the lobby which takes up an entire block (I suppose they didn't want to have an entrance for the 2nd building that is actually located on 61st street facing the projects). They completely left out 15-floors tower from doorman services. People come in and go to an elevator in the 1st tower and no one checks on them. It's a stupidest security, makes absolutely no sense.
The area is another issue. It sucks, despite "close proximity to Columbus Circle and Lincoln Center". Up until Columbus Ave it's just dreadful, and it will NEVER improve.
fred12345, "there will be plenty of retail in the area in 2010?!!!" The only change that is coming in 2010 is Public Bath House across the street, which I suspect will attract quite a crowd from the projects.
So, why rent in Sessanta? At a time, it seemed like a good option. The bathroom and kitchen are quite nice. But if they increase the rent next year, I see another move in my future :)
i'm not very familiar with the area, but i looked quickly at the apartments last weekend. what is the public bath house - is that actually used?? and where are the housing projects located? i must have missed those on my brief trip.
i do agree with other comments above though - it is a good 10-12 min walk to CC, and i am a pretty quick walker. i almost laughed in the face of the rental agent when she claimed it to be a 5 min walk ;-)
if that's the only lie she told you, i'd be amazed... having lived here a couple months now, i really do like it. but it does have it's negatives that others have pointed out accurately. but the biggest negative in my experience has been the sleaze factor of the agents. so annoying to have to parse through everything to get the truth.
I promise you the neighborhood is very safe and close to all the major Lincoln Square attractions including the subways under a 8 min walk.... The building is state of the art... The brokers are slime; I am happy to be living in this neighborhood no doubt about it!
The Rec Center will be completed in nearly 2 years and by that time the neighborhood will be completely filled in. West you have the Extell luxury projects, north you have that high rise rental with massive retail on 66th and Amsterdam and a few key developments towards the south, east is all complete with time warner center and the park!
Look very forward to the end of 2010 when the entire $1.3 billion project revitalization of Lincoln Center is complete. Love Lincoln Square and the Sessanta / Adagio complex...very unique product
this building has great apartments. my friend rented at sessanta and is very happy. Great size homes, great amenities, and very pleased with management and brokers. I love visiting and when my lease is up, i'm going to see if they have an available apartment. I'd look on streetasy for an apartment if they took down the false comments above.
Well, ya gotta give Sessanta's on-site brokers/development office some credit for all the time they spend here on this SE thread pathetically trying to make rebuttals to all the negative comments posted here. LMAO.
I have never been to this building. Perhaps it is indeed a fine place to live, but the word Sessanta for some reason sounds much too like cesspool to me. Does anyone know what Sessanta actually means?
When I first moved in, I was annoyed that I had to pay an extra fee for the washer/dryer… plus a security deposit… but now that I have been here a few weeks, I realize that I will spend more than $45 in utilizing the machines in a month. I actually ended up saving money as opposed to going to the laundry room.
When the pool, tennis court, and all the “amenitities” are complete, hopefully in the near future it will be a great place to live. There will be some retail and restaurants since all this new construction will bring more people. I would very much rather pay what I’m paying then pay twice that to live in CC. I can personally use the 8-10 min walk to shed some pounds and pay half the rent than the overweight pushovers living in time warner :-). They’re the suckers.
And let me end this by saying “Sha” the broker at Sessanta is a tool and a BEEEPP BEEEPPP, but most broker’s are....
Wow, I log into SE for the first time to read feedback about apartments in the UWS and it seems like everyone sits in front of the computer all day and finds something to bitch about. Come on...half of these reviews sound like personal problems and nothing about the bldgs themselves. I recently went to the Sessanta and to be frank, it is a very nice luxury bldg...everyone was pleasant and helpful. yes the bldg is not finished, but will have great optional amenities for its residents. The walk????? ARE YOU KIDDING ME???? it took me no more than 5 minutes to go from the Columbus Circle Station to 60th and 10th where the bldg is. You guys must be some very unfit people. Maybe you should get your ass out your chair and stop complaining about the walking on and get some exercise so you can live a long life. 10 minutes of walking a day can make a huge difference! RE: The neighborhood projects: You cant avoid low income housing in nyc...dont be ridiculous. The internet is free...do your research properly before crying about it on SE...NYC has the largest public housing authority in North America...Manhattan alone has 103 developments with 53,830 apartments. Im not a real estate guru but damn...no matter where you walk in NYC you're gonna find something that is low-income or rundown. If you're so concerned about "the projects" and walking 5-10 minutes to the train station...get a car, pack your shit and move to the suburbs.
I agree, all of you on streeteasy critical of Sessanta are just losers. Sessanta is the best. Earlier I logged in and tried to be really nice about how Sessanta is great, but since everyone thought I worked for Sessanta I'm now trying it again by being rude to everyone and maybe that will convince people that Sessanta is great and that the complaints are just off-base. Ok I'll throw in some negatives so you can't see through me, but of course those negatives are just a matter of timing. Of course I'm also not upset by the extra charge for the washer and dryer.
This is typical of a rental development.
Buy land in a marginal area - and there is no more marginal than next to projects.
The renters don't know any better, many are young young professionals, not family people.
By virtue of the # of people they'll improve the area a bit.
No different from that Columbus Square development.
"I agree, all of you on streeteasy critical of Sessanta are just losers. Sessanta is the best. Earlier I logged in and tried to be really nice about how Sessanta is great,"
Is this person a complete moron, or just a third grader?
Manhattan is a small island that is ful of the rich the poor and the ugly. Its a melting pot and living near super luxury buildings and low to moderate income buildings is not going to make a difference in a dynamic city like ours. Someone said it best, if you dont like the diversity and the 6 min walk to the subway then pack your shite ans move to the suburbs.
I love this part of Lincoln Square and it will only improve as the retail picks up... The construction and design quality at the adjacent condo building is much nicer at the Adagio so if you can find a unit owner that is looking to lease I am going to shoot to move there....
> low to moderate income buildings is not going to make a difference in a dynamic city like ours.
You have absolutely NO IDEA what you are talking about.
Proximity to projects has ALWAYS had a major effect on neighborhoods and values. Look at the corner of the UES closest to the projects, always a HUGE difference from the other spots. Or being behind the projects in chelsea. Or Fort Green.
Sorry, but this is just painfully wrong. Being near the projects has consistently been a major factor in the value of neighborhoods, particularly in declines.
this goes to "somewhereelse"---what makes you such a real estate expert? you sound like you have something personal against the people who live in the "projects" or you are a condo owner that got ripped off on your sale. ive been living in the uws for a very long time and ive seen this area grow and its still growing. i noticed more families,well-established people, celebrities, and athletes moving to this neighborhood. i highly doubt if the neighborhood was that bad that families would come to the UWS to raise their children; these new developments are making this a more desirable area.
it just depends on how badly you don't want to live near a project. if i were buying, i probably wouldn't buy near a project, but mainly because i know a certain subset of the buyer base will not buy in that area. but, since i'm renting, i don't really have an issue - no one's ever bothered me, i walk home at night from work and feel pretty safe. i do expect lower rent, and i get it. to have the same unit in my old building (prime 60s UWS) would have cost me easily 1000 - 1500 more per month. i'll make that tradeoff all day.
"i don't really have an issue - no one's ever bothered me, i walk home at night from work and feel pretty safe."
Agreed that safety isn't the only factor. Besides the "what other people will value" there is just the neighborhood effect. Forget whether or not you will be mugged, this will also influence what stores, restaurants, etc. will pop up around it. What the parks will look like, etc.
You don't have to get mugged for there to be a quality of life issue.
Otherwise, we'd all be looking for apartments in the projects.
it's a fair point. we moved in a 2 months ago. we still do the same things we did back when we lived on 67th and bway. same restaurants, same parks, same stores. yeah, on occasion, i b---h about the walk when i've just passed 67th and bway and realize that i have another 10 minutes to walk. i do wish we had better stuff right next door. right now, it sucks. and frankly, i don't see it getting any better anytime soon.
but then i remember i'm saving a ton versus what i could be paying, and i'm ok with it.
Well, there is the rub. If its not important to you, don't pay for it.
We all have choices. Some people want to pay for more windows, or higher floors, or yoga rooms. They cost more, but you don't HAVE to pay it.
But pretending there is no value for anyone that should be paid for is nonsensical.
No. It's two long blocks to Columbus Circle. Avery and Rushmore have more of a hike to 66th and B'way. At the northern end of Riverside Blvd, e.g. 220 and 240, it's 1.5 long blocks. The middle buildings, from 66th to 70th, feel isolated because of the Lincoln Towers barrier wall.
I love this area. The future of Manhattan is Lincoln Square. Since this amazing building (next door condo is even more amazing!)is so close to Lincoln Center and Time Warner Center it is in the middle of 2 iconic places. Cant wait until the $1.3 billion restoration of Lincoln Center is finished next year!!!!
I think it would make more sense to wait until the new building at 67th and amsterdam or the new building at 200 west 72nd street opens in february. both buildings are much more accessible to transport, civility, life. let's see what they price out at and then see how sessanta -- in the hinterlands-- reacts.
My mom just reminded me that friends of our family purchased right next door at 225 West 60th Street which is Hudson Condos and upon a bit more research I see 10 West End Avenue and Element Condos built there in the past couple years so really the owners were the first to take the plunge. Maybe not such a bad area then to rent in upon further reflection.
We recently wanted to rent at the Sessanta and right after we were approved were told we would be given a rent discount of $400 (from $3,525 to $3,125 with two months free on a 13 months lease). Happy about our discount (which overshadowed the crappy neighborhood), and on the day before we had an appointment to sign the lease, management called us to tell us that they had made a "mistake" and that there was no discount at all. No discount? Especially because most of the building is still in construction!? We had already put in our 30-day notice, settled on furniture, gotten together our funds, etc. and felt like this was literally extortion. Either we pay the now increased rent price or we are basically stranded. After a few days of back-and-forth with an incredibly arrogant manager (Sha) who acted like he was doing us a favor by gracing us with his apartment and who kept insisting he was taking responsibility for this mistake by giving us now a $75 discount (??), we finally sent them to hell. Not because of the price, but because of the treatment. We are happy to pay even more than the original price. However, only if everything is in order and certainly not with this type of management. AND, make no mistake, Sessanta is NOT anywhere near Columbus Circle and YES there is nothing but projects, parking lots and construction in the immediate neighborhood.
We visited the Sessanta and got a creepy vibe. We walked when we discovered their "pet friendly" attitudes stopped at 35 pounds. So, maybe the building is full of nasty little aggressive doggies instead of our sweet Yellow Lab.
Sounds like you made a good decision to just walk!
living there now. generally happy with the unit. it's spacious, new and relatively reasonably priced. but algin sucks. they are a pain to deal with and definitely not one you can trust. as opposed to pan am, my last landlord, who was always willing to work with me. there is a lot of construction growing pains that are annoying, but for now its still worth it. in a month, if things are still like this, then it will not have been.
odd - not sure about the dog policy, but i've seen them bigger than 35lbs in the building. and yes, the location is very bleh. it's a long 7 - 10 minute walk to time warner, which for some may not be worth it. particuarly in the bleak winter cold, which i have not had to deal with yet.
i don't know. find me a 1450 sq ft brand new apartment with washer dryer for ~ 5k in the upper west side (60s - 80s). 2 br, 2 ba, + 11x13 media room. i haven't found it other than here. but yeah, the location kind of blows.
i agree that there is still plenty of construction esp with the tennis court, pool and gym etc but i think the area is excellent (less the fact that there is minimal retail). hudson river, centrl park, lincoln center, time warner center etc,,, Sorry to hear they scammed you on the rental concession, thats just plain wrong!
Go instead with the boutique condo next door... Enjoy, because when this place is completely finished its going to be great and happy to live here
i had the same scam pull on me earlier this summer. i had agreed to pay $1995 for a studio on a lower level. i agreed this price with one of the brokers. then this sha character comes and says that the studio is not for rent yet and that he will only rent another unit for $2400.
> i think the area is excellent
In what sense?
The lack of retail? The ugly streets? The proximity to the projects?
Define "excellent" for us.
Because I have no idea what would make this anything other than a lousy location.
yes, the immediate 1 block radius is bleh. but its 7 - 10 minutes to time warner, 5 minutes to lincoln center, 5 minutes to riverside park, etc.. i can think of many more "lousy" locations than this.
> i can think of many more "lousy" locations than this.
I can also think of a lot of locations lousier than Newark - baghdad, for instance - but that certainly doesn't make Newark "excellent".
10 minutes just to get to a subway in nowhere near excellent for Manhattan.
Between 96th and houston, this is one of the last places I'd ever want to live (other than the far west 50s, but thats next door).
if they ever finish it, and if you play tennis, the court will be a killer amenity.
so glad to hear people walking on BS like this. in this market you dont have to do anything these RE scumbags want.
Well, marco_m, touche, the developer and on-site broker are tools, and have alienated enough would-be renters who comment in threads such as this. It will be fun to watch the rates drop at this place.
amen to that. developer and broker are not good.
somewhereelse - i hear you to some extent. although let me add "in manhattan" to my original statement. personally, i'll take this over a lot of places in that stretch between 96th and houston, like anything above 90th, and basically anything between 30th - 50th, but to each his own.
oh yeah, the tennis court is $40 / hour. so not really an "amenity"
I made a trip there the other day and my initial impression, as I live in the 300 block of 56th St, was why was I walking so far west to an address that should actually be to the east of me. Anyway, the building has its construction challenges in the lobby, elevator, etc. but it will be great when completed. The living spaces are spacious, Apt 9M is nicely staged with an impressive view. The rents seemed a bit high for the distance from the subway, fine in warmer weather but winters there are going to be no picnic as the high winds pass over the icy Hudson. The doors to closets left me with an "institutional" feel. The closets in a NYC Housing project have solid wood doors and for the rents they're charging, one would expect a much better door selection. What I found highly distasteful were the charges for 'amenities'. Some examples, $500/yr per tenant for the gym, sauna & pool, a $250 deposit for washer/dryer plus $45 per month and $40/hr for the tennis courts, also not completed yet. For the rents they charge in a possibly 2-fare zone, their 'amenities' pricing needs to be re-visited. But in the end, its all a matter of one likes and will tolerate. To those currently residing there, I hope your experience will ultimately be positive but I do hope for your sake, they drop those rents drastically and quickly.
yeah, my wife refers to this as the ala carte menu, because every little ticky tack thing is an incremental charge. also, if you like quiet apartments, where you can't ever hear your neighbors, this is not the place. i can hear **everything** next door - thankfully my neighbors are pretty quiet. having lived in older buildings, the noise level was kind of a surprise to us. is this the state of new construction these days?
What is a $250 deposit for the washer dryer? $45 per month covers what? Just use of it?
Closet doors is a true observation generally in some of these buildings!
This is my renting dilemma. Luxiry is hardly what it claims. The new buildings have cheap finishes high prices and all the bullshit of their pretend exclusivity and amenity charges.
The old places are falling apart and things like Styvesant Town are not being maintained.
I wonder if the 50s/60s/70s co-ops are better because the owners want it or they are old owners who don't care about the upkeep.
the problem is that to buy, my monthly costs would be substantially higher. so rent we do...
you put $250 down on w/d, i guess in case it breaks. The $45 is a basically a rental fee. i had to have the w/d, so basically i mentally just raised my rent $45 per month to get a unit with w/d. i know i'm way overpaying, but it feels better when i just lump it into rent.
Is there a rental fee for the shower too?
no, but there is a charge for the showerhead. j/k.
Do you have to pay if the doorman opens the door for you?
Oh 45 a month is 540 a year. How much to buy your own?
Love the location, its quiet and 5 to 8 min walk to eveything important in Lincoln Square. Also I am sure there will be plenty of retail in the area in 2010. The John Jay college expansion and the completion of all the buildings will be a huge benefit. I hear the construction quality of the adjacent condo is amazing and feel as the the rental is top quality as well. Major negative is all the lies from the brokers and developers on timing. I think it will be many many more months until the buildng is complete.
5 to 8 min, you must be an excellent power walker. I timed it to about 12 minutes to get to Columbus Circle and that's with me walking briskly.
sorry, but you must be a slow walker. my wife, pushing a stroller w/ kid, gets from our place to TWC in 10 minutes. i do it in about 8, in the morning. that's with me walking briskly. and i'm not a power walker.
Fred: the finishes are nice. however, i would not equate the construction quality of the condos (very nice) to that of the rental (not as nice). as i overheard one of the construction workers in my apartment one day, when i asked him to fix something up, he muttered "dude, it's not like you are buying the place..." really nice. i've had some issues in my apartment that you would not expect in top line construction.
You must mean when it is dry with the wind on your back. See what your time is in the dead of winter going uphill in icy side walk. That is when I timed it b/c it is the most dreadful time of all.
I actually had to go to that block from the trains at CC, and I budgeted 15 minutes. Its no man's land.
Maybe you run faster when the people from the projects are after you.
hsw: haha. fair point. i'm bracing myself for the winter. will probably go into hibernation with wifey and kid.
surprisingly, i've gotten used to the housing projects. it was a big concern when we moved there, but hasn't really ever been an issue. then again, we don't tend to go out late, so haven't been out there in later hours.
Walk to subway not really an issue, location near projects not an issue. Biggest issue: no neighborhood restaurants or bars. My biggest problem with the neighborhood was that the new buildings are all large and glassy with no small retail spaces for restaurants and bars (only a chocolate shop)
don't forget teh truffle shop!
Bigdude2000, you are right about the noise level. I hear every single sound in the hallway, elevator beep (even thought I'm on the other side of it), casual conversations, and OMG, shutting the doors.
But noise is not the biggest issue for me. Sessanta moved the front desk to the middle of the lobby which takes up an entire block (I suppose they didn't want to have an entrance for the 2nd building that is actually located on 61st street facing the projects). They completely left out 15-floors tower from doorman services. People come in and go to an elevator in the 1st tower and no one checks on them. It's a stupidest security, makes absolutely no sense.
The area is another issue. It sucks, despite "close proximity to Columbus Circle and Lincoln Center". Up until Columbus Ave it's just dreadful, and it will NEVER improve.
fred12345, "there will be plenty of retail in the area in 2010?!!!" The only change that is coming in 2010 is Public Bath House across the street, which I suspect will attract quite a crowd from the projects.
So, why rent in Sessanta? At a time, it seemed like a good option. The bathroom and kitchen are quite nice. But if they increase the rent next year, I see another move in my future :)
i'm not very familiar with the area, but i looked quickly at the apartments last weekend. what is the public bath house - is that actually used?? and where are the housing projects located? i must have missed those on my brief trip.
i do agree with other comments above though - it is a good 10-12 min walk to CC, and i am a pretty quick walker. i almost laughed in the face of the rental agent when she claimed it to be a 5 min walk ;-)
if that's the only lie she told you, i'd be amazed... having lived here a couple months now, i really do like it. but it does have it's negatives that others have pointed out accurately. but the biggest negative in my experience has been the sleaze factor of the agents. so annoying to have to parse through everything to get the truth.
the bath house faces the sessanta on 60th. no idea what's ther or planned. the projects are on amsterdam between 61st - 63rd.
Public bath house or pool: "The 60th Street wing of the recreation center is being reconstructed with an indoor state-of-the-art pool..." See http://www.nycgovparks.org/facilities/recreationcenters/M063
I promise you the neighborhood is very safe and close to all the major Lincoln Square attractions including the subways under a 8 min walk.... The building is state of the art... The brokers are slime; I am happy to be living in this neighborhood no doubt about it!
The Rec Center will be completed in nearly 2 years and by that time the neighborhood will be completely filled in. West you have the Extell luxury projects, north you have that high rise rental with massive retail on 66th and Amsterdam and a few key developments towards the south, east is all complete with time warner center and the park!
Look very forward to the end of 2010 when the entire $1.3 billion project revitalization of Lincoln Center is complete. Love Lincoln Square and the Sessanta / Adagio complex...very unique product
this building has great apartments. my friend rented at sessanta and is very happy. Great size homes, great amenities, and very pleased with management and brokers. I love visiting and when my lease is up, i'm going to see if they have an available apartment. I'd look on streetasy for an apartment if they took down the false comments above.
Well, ya gotta give Sessanta's on-site brokers/development office some credit for all the time they spend here on this SE thread pathetically trying to make rebuttals to all the negative comments posted here. LMAO.
oooo, otto, you're soooo hateful. now nottrueyou will never look on SE for an apartment. *sob*
I have never been to this building. Perhaps it is indeed a fine place to live, but the word Sessanta for some reason sounds much too like cesspool to me. Does anyone know what Sessanta actually means?
> Walk to subway not really an issue, location near projects not an issue.
Yes, if location doesn't matter, this neighborhood is perfect!
Sessanta = 60 in Eye-talian.
As in you have 60 seconds before the guys from the projects see you and take your wallet.
When I first moved in, I was annoyed that I had to pay an extra fee for the washer/dryer… plus a security deposit… but now that I have been here a few weeks, I realize that I will spend more than $45 in utilizing the machines in a month. I actually ended up saving money as opposed to going to the laundry room.
When the pool, tennis court, and all the “amenitities” are complete, hopefully in the near future it will be a great place to live. There will be some retail and restaurants since all this new construction will bring more people. I would very much rather pay what I’m paying then pay twice that to live in CC. I can personally use the 8-10 min walk to shed some pounds and pay half the rent than the overweight pushovers living in time warner :-). They’re the suckers.
And let me end this by saying “Sha” the broker at Sessanta is a tool and a BEEEPP BEEEPPP, but most broker’s are....
Wow, I log into SE for the first time to read feedback about apartments in the UWS and it seems like everyone sits in front of the computer all day and finds something to bitch about. Come on...half of these reviews sound like personal problems and nothing about the bldgs themselves. I recently went to the Sessanta and to be frank, it is a very nice luxury bldg...everyone was pleasant and helpful. yes the bldg is not finished, but will have great optional amenities for its residents. The walk????? ARE YOU KIDDING ME???? it took me no more than 5 minutes to go from the Columbus Circle Station to 60th and 10th where the bldg is. You guys must be some very unfit people. Maybe you should get your ass out your chair and stop complaining about the walking on and get some exercise so you can live a long life. 10 minutes of walking a day can make a huge difference! RE: The neighborhood projects: You cant avoid low income housing in nyc...dont be ridiculous. The internet is free...do your research properly before crying about it on SE...NYC has the largest public housing authority in North America...Manhattan alone has 103 developments with 53,830 apartments. Im not a real estate guru but damn...no matter where you walk in NYC you're gonna find something that is low-income or rundown. If you're so concerned about "the projects" and walking 5-10 minutes to the train station...get a car, pack your shit and move to the suburbs.
I agree, all of you on streeteasy critical of Sessanta are just losers. Sessanta is the best. Earlier I logged in and tried to be really nice about how Sessanta is great, but since everyone thought I worked for Sessanta I'm now trying it again by being rude to everyone and maybe that will convince people that Sessanta is great and that the complaints are just off-base. Ok I'll throw in some negatives so you can't see through me, but of course those negatives are just a matter of timing. Of course I'm also not upset by the extra charge for the washer and dryer.
This is typical of a rental development.
Buy land in a marginal area - and there is no more marginal than next to projects.
The renters don't know any better, many are young young professionals, not family people.
By virtue of the # of people they'll improve the area a bit.
No different from that Columbus Square development.
agreed. The scam works when the market is exploding.
But it looks really stupid in a crash....
The dilemma is, a stigma seems to get attached to the latter cases.
"I agree, all of you on streeteasy critical of Sessanta are just losers. Sessanta is the best. Earlier I logged in and tried to be really nice about how Sessanta is great,"
Is this person a complete moron, or just a third grader?
> The neighborhood projects: You cant avoid low income housing in nyc...dont be ridiculous.
Moronic. You can't avoid them... but that doesn't mean you should aim to live in them or right next door. Jeez.
Every town has a garbage dump, too. That doesn't mean you buy the plot next door.
Moronic.
Manhattan is a small island that is ful of the rich the poor and the ugly. Its a melting pot and living near super luxury buildings and low to moderate income buildings is not going to make a difference in a dynamic city like ours. Someone said it best, if you dont like the diversity and the 6 min walk to the subway then pack your shite ans move to the suburbs.
I love this part of Lincoln Square and it will only improve as the retail picks up... The construction and design quality at the adjacent condo building is much nicer at the Adagio so if you can find a unit owner that is looking to lease I am going to shoot to move there....
> low to moderate income buildings is not going to make a difference in a dynamic city like ours.
You have absolutely NO IDEA what you are talking about.
Proximity to projects has ALWAYS had a major effect on neighborhoods and values. Look at the corner of the UES closest to the projects, always a HUGE difference from the other spots. Or being behind the projects in chelsea. Or Fort Green.
Sorry, but this is just painfully wrong. Being near the projects has consistently been a major factor in the value of neighborhoods, particularly in declines.
this goes to "somewhereelse"---what makes you such a real estate expert? you sound like you have something personal against the people who live in the "projects" or you are a condo owner that got ripped off on your sale. ive been living in the uws for a very long time and ive seen this area grow and its still growing. i noticed more families,well-established people, celebrities, and athletes moving to this neighborhood. i highly doubt if the neighborhood was that bad that families would come to the UWS to raise their children; these new developments are making this a more desirable area.
Nice strawman.... besides the fact that you made up your claims, your post has nothing to do with the points made.
it just depends on how badly you don't want to live near a project. if i were buying, i probably wouldn't buy near a project, but mainly because i know a certain subset of the buyer base will not buy in that area. but, since i'm renting, i don't really have an issue - no one's ever bothered me, i walk home at night from work and feel pretty safe. i do expect lower rent, and i get it. to have the same unit in my old building (prime 60s UWS) would have cost me easily 1000 - 1500 more per month. i'll make that tradeoff all day.
Yes, but if a celebrity lives nearby, its ok, right?
;-)
"i don't really have an issue - no one's ever bothered me, i walk home at night from work and feel pretty safe."
Agreed that safety isn't the only factor. Besides the "what other people will value" there is just the neighborhood effect. Forget whether or not you will be mugged, this will also influence what stores, restaurants, etc. will pop up around it. What the parks will look like, etc.
You don't have to get mugged for there to be a quality of life issue.
Otherwise, we'd all be looking for apartments in the projects.
it's a fair point. we moved in a 2 months ago. we still do the same things we did back when we lived on 67th and bway. same restaurants, same parks, same stores. yeah, on occasion, i b---h about the walk when i've just passed 67th and bway and realize that i have another 10 minutes to walk. i do wish we had better stuff right next door. right now, it sucks. and frankly, i don't see it getting any better anytime soon.
but then i remember i'm saving a ton versus what i could be paying, and i'm ok with it.
Well, there is the rub. If its not important to you, don't pay for it.
We all have choices. Some people want to pay for more windows, or higher floors, or yoga rooms. They cost more, but you don't HAVE to pay it.
But pretending there is no value for anyone that should be paid for is nonsensical.
Serious question, is this location really any more out of the way than all those Trump buildings and Avery and Rushmore?
No. It's two long blocks to Columbus Circle. Avery and Rushmore have more of a hike to 66th and B'way. At the northern end of Riverside Blvd, e.g. 220 and 240, it's 1.5 long blocks. The middle buildings, from 66th to 70th, feel isolated because of the Lincoln Towers barrier wall.
"is this location really any more out of the way than all those Trump buildings and Avery and Rushmore?"
Its not just out of the way, its next to the projects.
And, if you hadn't heard, trump is getting killed. They're now renting one bedrooms they can't sell for $2400.
I love this area. The future of Manhattan is Lincoln Square. Since this amazing building (next door condo is even more amazing!)is so close to Lincoln Center and Time Warner Center it is in the middle of 2 iconic places. Cant wait until the $1.3 billion restoration of Lincoln Center is finished next year!!!!
I think it would make more sense to wait until the new building at 67th and amsterdam or the new building at 200 west 72nd street opens in february. both buildings are much more accessible to transport, civility, life. let's see what they price out at and then see how sessanta -- in the hinterlands-- reacts.
My mom just reminded me that friends of our family purchased right next door at 225 West 60th Street which is Hudson Condos and upon a bit more research I see 10 West End Avenue and Element Condos built there in the past couple years so really the owners were the first to take the plunge. Maybe not such a bad area then to rent in upon further reflection.