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Why I hate CO-OPS

Started by MIBNYC
about 13 years ago
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Hell hath no fury like a co-op board president scorned. Upset that the sellers of a sprawling penthouse apartment with eye-popping panoramic views spurned her lowball offer, 1107 Fifth Ave. board president Maureen Klinsky has set out to sabotage their $27.5 million deal with someone else, court papers say. Klinsky abruptly decided that the full-floor apartment’s prime selling point — a private... [more]
Response by Riversider
about 13 years ago
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Member since: Apr 2009

Read the daily news piece. Plaintiff's are free to allege anything. The truth is up to a judge and/or jury to decide. And highly doubt the President soley decided on her own as their are other board members. Also as a non-arms length purchase by a board member its doubtful someone would be so brazen, but I guess anything is possible, but should that be the case the business judgment rule might not protect the president. This article could equally apply to Condos, so I'm not sure what the point is..

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Response by apt23
about 13 years ago
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RS: This could not equally apply to condos. The condo board is not nearly as free to change the rules under which condo buyers purchased.

Of course, there are two sides to every story but this does sound like an egregious ethical violation. Whether or not it is true in this case, Board President's can most certainly pressure board members. In my last co op, the Board president bullied the other board members. He was a lawyer and the co op was small and he literally pressured people and he lied to govt officials and when members questioned his judgement, he literally screamed at him. So yes, this is entirely believable. But again, all the facts are not in on this case yet.

It seems that in this case, a roof deck would make everyone's apt more valuable. But under no condition, should the board just claim some kind of eminent domain right and confiscate the terrace. If there is a small piece of the terrace that could be used for access to roof and still protect the privacy and sanctity of the terrace, then the board should pay for the rights to build access to roof.

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Response by NWT
about 13 years ago
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The complaint and exhibits are on eCourts, index 653392/2012.

The Google maps aerial view shows the staircase from the penthouse terrace up to the penthouse roof.

The seller rejected two lowball offers from the board president, and accepted an offer of $27.5M from somebody who lives at 181 E 65th. (Other buyer details were redacted.)

The board approved the $27.5M sale. No explanation why the board would do that if it wanted to further the board president's interests.

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Response by Mr_LP
about 13 years ago
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Member since: Jun 2011

What kind of hidden messages, games, and puzzles?

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Response by walpurgis
about 13 years ago
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Wow...this Klinsky Kharacter sounds very much like another infamous, now deceased Brooklyn born real estate "legend", who, under similar circumstances, would explode, unleashing a fury always just simmering beneath the surface.

Unfortunately this is an archtype all too prevalent in the Manhattan co-op universe especially on the upper east side.

Like the old riddle goes, & there's absolutely no getting around it:

Q: What are ****** & obnoxious?

A: Synonyms.

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Response by nyc10023
about 13 years ago
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Response by walpurgis
about 13 years ago
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Perhaps if she cries to the estate they'll entertain her offer.

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Response by huntersburg
about 13 years ago
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>Of course, there are two sides to every story but this does sound like an egregious ethical violation.

Says apt23, who called the police to say that her husband bought an illegal gun and was going to use it or menance their neighbor ... when in fact he was planning on doing no such thing and had no such gun.

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Response by walpurgis
about 13 years ago
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When I hear stories like this, renting starts sounding better all the time.

It sounds worse than kids fighting at the playground or schoolyard.

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Response by Truth
about 13 years ago
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NWT: That's correct, no explanation because there is none to support.

hey, walpurgis:
Stay away from the playground after school.

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Response by walpurgis
about 13 years ago
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Will do!

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Response by Truth
about 13 years ago
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walpurgis: LOL!!!

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Response by NWT
about 13 years ago
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Here's today's transcript of the lawyers explaining the mess to a judge: https://iapps.courts.state.ny.us/fbem/DocumentDisplayServlet?documentId=a50onlpGA0qp5JUxWLHjdg==&system=prod

The main issue now is the terrace itself, not access from the terrace to the PH roof.

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Response by deanc
about 13 years ago
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wow, the judge sounds like a dick.

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Response by ab_11218
about 13 years ago
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i can't wait until they come back to court and say that you can only put something that is 1 inch thick because of complications and that there is not way to raise the balluster...

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Response by matthewh
about 13 years ago
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That judge sounds horrible

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Response by huntersburg
about 13 years ago
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Matthew, what makes you an expert negotiator?

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Response by NWT
over 12 years ago
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To catch up, the buyer (some South American billionaire) didn't show up for the closing, and bought http://streeteasy.com/nyc/sale/767255-coop-960-fifth-avenue-upper-east-side-new-york instead.

The case between the seller and the co-op continues.

The would-be buyer is suing the seller for return of his deposit. His complaint is at https://iapps.courts.state.ny.us/fbem/DocumentDisplayServlet?documentId=d0WHHIX4xihF/3shszjytg==&system=prod

The seller's answer is at https://iapps.courts.state.ny.us/fbem/DocumentDisplayServlet?documentId=0d5zcubBqxs/GjfOCuULMg==&system=prod

The outside staircase from back terrace to PH roof, which might be used by other residents, doesn't appear on the floorplan in the listing and contract, but does appear on other plans and to the whole world on Google Maps.

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Response by NWT
over 12 years ago
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Response by Flutistic
about 11 years ago
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This lawsuit has ended--look it up on eCourts under Supreme Ct 653392/2012. The judge in the final transcript looked favorably on the plaintiffs' (shareholders) arguments against the board, ruling that the timing of trying to take over the terrace did not seem to be a coincidence. The sale fell apart before this stage was reached, however, and the judge determined this was a problem with those buyers, and not the fault of the board.

But the transcript is worth reading just to remind us how much power co-op boards have, as the judge discusses the case with the attorneys involved, and the Business Judgement Rule.

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Response by NWT
over 10 years ago
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The would-be buyer just won on appeal, so gets his deposit back from the seller: http://law.justia.com/cases/new-york/appellate-division-first-department/2015/652396-13-14030.html

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