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StuyTown Lawsuit Costs = Higher Rents for Others

Started by greensdale
almost 13 years ago
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Lease Surprise in Stuyvesant Town NY REAL ESTATE RESIDENTIALUpdated February 6, 2013, 9:01 p.m. ET http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424127887323452204578288493809362834.html?mod=googlenews_wsj By LAURA KUSISTO People put up with a lot for a Manhattan apartment. The unbelievable rents, the tiny closets, those pushy agents. Thousands of Stuyvesant Town and Peter Cooper Village residents are... [more]
Response by hsg9000
almost 13 years ago
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Who are the creditor/investors who took over Stuy Town/PCH from Tishman? They never seem to be mentioned in press reports.

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Response by greensdale
almost 13 years ago
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CW.

But that's one of the problems here, the settlement money isn't coming from Tishman, since they already lost their full investment. It's coming from the new owners and going out to many people who were never intended and never themselves expected to receive middle and working-class oriented regulated apartments paid for by the taxpayers of the State of New York. But since the money is coming from the new owners of PC/StuyTown, part of their negotiation is that they have to make up for it somehow - from the current tenants who will be squeezed.

So taxpayers didn't get what was intended by the program, the money isn't going to the working and middle classes as it should, current tenants are getting undeservedly screwed, and a lawsuit class of former tenants who were market rate (some of whom are doing pretty well in their professions in NYC) are getting an undeserved windfall.

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Response by hsg9000
almost 13 years ago
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I thought CW was only managing it for the investors, not an investor itself. This article suggests CW is only heading the group of unidentified investor/creditors:

http://www.nytimes.com/2010/10/27/nyregion/27stuytown.html

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Response by greensdale
almost 13 years ago
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The creditors would have been the creditors from the Tishman buyout, and then any sales, etc. of such debt.

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Response by hsg9000
almost 13 years ago
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Correct. I knew that. ;) I was wondering *who* they are; their identity is never revealed in press articles. Knowing that might intimate something about their intentions, e.g. if it was the sovereign fund of Saudi Arabia, for instance.

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Response by greensdale
almost 13 years ago
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Whoever they are, I'm sure there's some bile directed at them, or maybe synthetic bile made up to justify a large and undeserved legal settlement windfall.

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Response by greensdale
over 12 years ago
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Response by aboutready
over 12 years ago
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Fannie owns almost all of the senior debt. They have repeatedly stated that they don't expect to lose a dime. The increased rents are, I believe, because there was a dispute as to whether or not vacancy increases would be fully allowed. The interim agreements reduced the rents to a certain level that was later determined to be lower than it had to be, and the defendants agreed to not seek compensation for those amounts lost. The rents remain stabilized, but stabilized doesn't necessarily mean below market, which is why some people are so pissed off. HB, as usual, lacks understanding regarding the various intents of the program over the years, and the specifics of the situation here.

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Response by aboutready
over 12 years ago
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It's really a crapshoot. We were the first tenants to rent our destabilized two-bedroom apartment. The RS rate for that unit is probably significantly lower than cccharley's smaller unit, becaus the unit had no vacancy increases for eight years. Rents doubled and sometimes tripled over those eight years, partly because of huge rent increases that were not matched by subsequent tenants' rents, they were just a means to get people out (Tishman was truly awful). Now, and since the interim agreement, of course the landlord is going to try and fill the more expensive units first, but some feel that that is deceptive and unfair.

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Response by greensdale
over 12 years ago
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AR, could you boil down your 2 dense paragraphs to something more pithy that those of us who didn't go to Yale might be able to understand?

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Response by aboutready
over 12 years ago
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No. The issues are complicated.

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Response by greensdale
over 12 years ago
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Can you please elaborate?

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Response by alanhart
over 12 years ago
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Can you please belabor it?

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Response by greensdale
over 12 years ago
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Alan, is that pronounced Bel-A-Bor or Be-Labor?

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Response by alanhart
over 12 years ago
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"be-a-lil-bore"

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Response by greensdale
over 12 years ago
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Got it, thanks.

Now aboutready, what do you have to say?

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Response by aboutready
over 12 years ago
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Already said it. Do some research if you don't get it, which you don't and clearly have not for a very long time.

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Response by greensdale
over 12 years ago
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So bottom line you agree, the windfall money going to you has led to increases in costs to current tenants?

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Response by aboutready
over 12 years ago
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No. Their rents are still lower than they would have been without the lawsuit. Dumbass.

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Response by greensdale
over 12 years ago
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So you are just taking your rental commission from the current tenants?

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Response by aboutready
over 12 years ago
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No, I'm taking it from whoever has financial responsibility for the complex. The rents have increased for some people, but only those involved in the suit, and they are still lower than they would have been without the lawsuit. You sure ate dense.

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Response by greensdale
over 12 years ago
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Yummm, dense.

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Response by aboutready
over 12 years ago
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Are, although you might eat dense for all I know.

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Response by greensdale
over 12 years ago
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Huh?

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Response by fieldschester
about 12 years ago
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Response by aboutready
about 12 years ago
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Oh look, it's riversider with its youtubes again.

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Response by fieldschester
about 12 years ago
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actually, I'm fieldschester.

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Response by fieldschester
about 12 years ago
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AR, do you keep in touch with anyone from the old neighborhood?

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Response by aboutready
about 12 years ago
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Fuck off.

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Response by fieldschester
about 12 years ago
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You've moved on? Those people are below you now?
Let them eat cake! Let them pay higher rents!

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Response by fieldschester
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