StuyTown Lawsuit Costs = Higher Rents for Others
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Lease Surprise in Stuyvesant Town NY REAL ESTATE RESIDENTIALUpdated February 6, 2013, 9:01 p.m. ET http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424127887323452204578288493809362834.html?mod=googlenews_wsj By LAURA KUSISTO People put up with a lot for a Manhattan apartment. The unbelievable rents, the tiny closets, those pushy agents. Thousands of Stuyvesant Town and Peter Cooper Village residents are... [more]
Lease Surprise in Stuyvesant Town NY REAL ESTATE RESIDENTIALUpdated February 6, 2013, 9:01 p.m. ET http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424127887323452204578288493809362834.html?mod=googlenews_wsj By LAURA KUSISTO People put up with a lot for a Manhattan apartment. The unbelievable rents, the tiny closets, those pushy agents. Thousands of Stuyvesant Town and Peter Cooper Village residents are waking up now to a more uncommon quandary: a clause that allows their landlord to increase the rent in the middle of their lease. About 40% of the 11,200 units in the historic East Side complex could see the rent go up—by $1,500 in some cases—because of a provision tucked into leases as part of a tenant lawsuit settlement. The possibility of the mid-lease rent hike wasn't hidden, but some tenants who signed it said they didn't notice, or said real-estate agents told them it wouldn't happen. Many residents of Stuyvesant Town and Peter Cooper Village, above, could see mid-lease rent increases. . The complex's owners could begin moving to raise the rent in April, when the settlement is expected to be completed. Local officials and tenant advocates have begun to mobilize against the prospect, calling on CWCapital Asset Management, the firm running the complex for investors, to commit to leaving the apartments' monthly prices alone until leases are up for renewal. "We are deeply skeptical of the legality of such a right, if exercised, and urge you not to take advantage of it," said the Jan. 25 letter signed by a group of politicians led by City Council Member Daniel Garodnick, who lives in the complex. Also signing were Sen. Charles Schumer, Rep. Carolyn Maloney, City Council Speaker Christine Quinn, Public Advocate Bill de Blasio and Manhattan Borough President Scott Stringer. A CW spokesman said the firm couldn't comment because the settlement hasn't been finished. People familiar with the firm's thinking said CW hasn't made a final decision about whether to increase rents. The people said the company expects to have a clear direction in the next 60 days. Kristine Sirna, a 29-year-old risk analyst who signed a lease in October 2009 for a one-bedroom for $2,600 a month, said her rent could go up to $3,500., which she likely couldn't afford. "I can't be spending such an exorbitant amount," she said. Renter advocates said the rent-increase clause wasn't a common issue, if only because one of the most basic elements of tenant protection in a lease is the prohibition against hiking the price midstream. "What tenant would be satisfied with a lease that has an escape clause for the landlord at any point?" said Victor Bach, a senior housing policy analyst for the Community Service Society, a tenant advocacy group. The lease provision has surfaced as an issue after a tumultuous six year legal battle that began shortly after real-estate titan, Tishman Speyer Properties LP, purchased the 56-building complex on behalf of a group of investors for $5.4 billion in 2006 in one of the biggest real-estate deals in New York history. In an effort to recoup the investment, Tishman Speyer began aggressively converting the rent-regulated apartments of Stuyvesant and Peter Cooper—long considered middle-class havens sheltered from Manhattan real-estate trends—in to luxury, market-rate units. Tenants paying market rates filed a lawsuit saying a tax break the owners received prevented them from taking those units out of rent stabilization. The tenants won in appellate court in 2009, and, as the two parties negotiated a deal on how much back rent the plaintiffs were owed, the owners agreed to charge lower rents. Some one-bedroom units that went for $4,000 a month saw rents go down by anything from $600 to several thousand dollars a month. In November, a tentative $68.8 million agreement was struck. One provision maintained CW's right to raise rents in the middle of a tenants' lease. Tenants were informed by letter, but some said they don't recall it. Others said they were reassured by leasing agents that they wouldn't be subject to mid-lease increases. "The rent is very unlikely to be raised mid-lease, and would only come from a court order," wrote a leasing agent in an email to a tenant reviewed by The Wall Street Journal. "It is not something the landlord would choose to do." There are reasons why such an increase could be impractical. For instance, few landlords would want deal with potentially thousands of apartments turning over all at once. Some residents said they knew about the potential increase when they signed leases but didn't think much about under the stress of a Manhattan apartment search, the horrors of which are well-known: reams of paperwork, cash deposits and the pressure to make a decision immediately. Jane Fox, a 68-year-old retiree, said she had never experienced anything like getting an apartment in New York when she and her husband moved from Washington, D.C., and signed a two-year lease in May 2012 for a one-bedroom apartment in Peter Cooper Village. "It was all new to me and very, very crazy," Ms. Fox said. She added: "In Washington, you either looked in the Washington Post or someone put a sign up they had something to rent. You either like it or you don't. There's no real-estate agent involved." The couple's apartment costs $3,400 a month now but could go up 59% to about $5,400 a month. Ms. Fox said the rent-increase clause was tucked into a 30- to 40-page document between passages about lead paint and air conditioning. "We asked about it, and they said not to worry about," Ms. Fox said. "We'd given notice to our landlord, and it was a little bit late." A version of this article appeared February 7, 2013, on page A17 in the U.S. edition of The Wall Street Journal, with the headline: Lease Surprise in Stuyvesant Town. [less]
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Who are the creditor/investors who took over Stuy Town/PCH from Tishman? They never seem to be mentioned in press reports.
CW.
But that's one of the problems here, the settlement money isn't coming from Tishman, since they already lost their full investment. It's coming from the new owners and going out to many people who were never intended and never themselves expected to receive middle and working-class oriented regulated apartments paid for by the taxpayers of the State of New York. But since the money is coming from the new owners of PC/StuyTown, part of their negotiation is that they have to make up for it somehow - from the current tenants who will be squeezed.
So taxpayers didn't get what was intended by the program, the money isn't going to the working and middle classes as it should, current tenants are getting undeservedly screwed, and a lawsuit class of former tenants who were market rate (some of whom are doing pretty well in their professions in NYC) are getting an undeserved windfall.
I thought CW was only managing it for the investors, not an investor itself. This article suggests CW is only heading the group of unidentified investor/creditors:
http://www.nytimes.com/2010/10/27/nyregion/27stuytown.html
The creditors would have been the creditors from the Tishman buyout, and then any sales, etc. of such debt.
Correct. I knew that. ;) I was wondering *who* they are; their identity is never revealed in press articles. Knowing that might intimate something about their intentions, e.g. if it was the sovereign fund of Saudi Arabia, for instance.
Whoever they are, I'm sure there's some bile directed at them, or maybe synthetic bile made up to justify a large and undeserved legal settlement windfall.
http://www.twitlonger.com/show/n_1rjvtq0
Fannie owns almost all of the senior debt. They have repeatedly stated that they don't expect to lose a dime. The increased rents are, I believe, because there was a dispute as to whether or not vacancy increases would be fully allowed. The interim agreements reduced the rents to a certain level that was later determined to be lower than it had to be, and the defendants agreed to not seek compensation for those amounts lost. The rents remain stabilized, but stabilized doesn't necessarily mean below market, which is why some people are so pissed off. HB, as usual, lacks understanding regarding the various intents of the program over the years, and the specifics of the situation here.
It's really a crapshoot. We were the first tenants to rent our destabilized two-bedroom apartment. The RS rate for that unit is probably significantly lower than cccharley's smaller unit, becaus the unit had no vacancy increases for eight years. Rents doubled and sometimes tripled over those eight years, partly because of huge rent increases that were not matched by subsequent tenants' rents, they were just a means to get people out (Tishman was truly awful). Now, and since the interim agreement, of course the landlord is going to try and fill the more expensive units first, but some feel that that is deceptive and unfair.
AR, could you boil down your 2 dense paragraphs to something more pithy that those of us who didn't go to Yale might be able to understand?
No. The issues are complicated.
Can you please elaborate?
Can you please belabor it?
Alan, is that pronounced Bel-A-Bor or Be-Labor?
"be-a-lil-bore"
Got it, thanks.
Now aboutready, what do you have to say?
Already said it. Do some research if you don't get it, which you don't and clearly have not for a very long time.
So bottom line you agree, the windfall money going to you has led to increases in costs to current tenants?
No. Their rents are still lower than they would have been without the lawsuit. Dumbass.
So you are just taking your rental commission from the current tenants?
No, I'm taking it from whoever has financial responsibility for the complex. The rents have increased for some people, but only those involved in the suit, and they are still lower than they would have been without the lawsuit. You sure ate dense.
Yummm, dense.
Are, although you might eat dense for all I know.
Huh?
http://youtu.be/HO6waZDHBqA
Oh look, it's riversider with its youtubes again.
actually, I'm fieldschester.
AR, do you keep in touch with anyone from the old neighborhood?
Fuck off.
You've moved on? Those people are below you now?
Let them eat cake! Let them pay higher rents!
http://gothamist.com/2016/03/31/stuy_town_affordable_housing.php