Tribeca is overrated

are you thinking of chambers street? The "not quite" tribeca that is basically financial district?

Because the traditional Tribeca area isn't anything like that...

I just know a lot of buildings are now saying "Tribeca" in their name - even ones in BATTERY PARK CITY - to try and get closer to Tribeca pricing (much more expensive than FiDi pricing).

No; i'm talking about streets like murray, warren, leonard, etc. The neighborhood just isn't impressive at all. I don't get why it's one of the most expensive places in all of NYC.

I live in Tribeca, and while there is a lot of construction at the moment, the neighborhood is priced at a premium because of the exceptionally large spaces that are available. You don't move to Tribeca to live in a 600 ft 1brdm but a 2,000ft loft - and right now people are paying top dollar for those spaces.

As for buildings in BPC using the Tribeca name, that is yet another example of outright fraud in real estate. But without any consequences, these criminal brokers will continue to try to rip off and trick customers into paying more...

memito, do you actually enjoy living in tribeca, though?

I don't understand why Rufus is always calling neighborhoods in NYC dirty. NYC is a big city. Big cities are dirtier than the burbs.

i forgot, this is the guy that wants us to kill the artists, middle class, and project dwellers so NYC can be Chicago. I take back my post.

There has been jack hammering outside of my window for the past couple of weeks - but that could potentially take place in any neighborhood in the city.

The things I like about Tribeca are the space I get for the money, all of the subway lines and some of the restaurants nearby.

I do think that places are overpriced, but demand for large spaces has been kept the prices up (for now).

I think long-term, Tribeca is super unique, and has a healthy dose of what makes NYC NYC. GREAT building inventory, great transportation/location. I think the tunnel spots get a little annoying, and it could still use a little more life in spots (which is coming), but I think you are talking about a neighborhood with high demand, and the good parts aren't all replicable. With FiDi and the chambers area borders coming up, and building in West SoHo, I think its prime to benefit from being in the middile. The only "downside" is it gets more soho tourist crazy in a decade, but that would mean better times on the way there.

Of course, this all assumes you are looking to buy there more than a year from now.. ;-)

I think Tribeca (one of the neighborhoods where I work) is expensive because it's like the Upper East Side (family-sized living spaces, good schools, extremely kid-friendly retail, parks) but cooler (hip restaurants, cobblestone streets).

There is presumably a saturation point where it would start to feel "too" suburban, but I'm not sure that's been hit.

Certainly, a construction boom is going to annoy people who move to a neighborhood for quality-of-life reasons, but the example of Chelsea has shown that a neighborhood will put up with that for a couple of years.

ali r.
{downtown broker}

rufus.... where exactly do you live in tribeca ? I live on North Moore and think its a fabulous neighbourhood I would associate the streets your talking about more as Tribeca periphery.

waverly, Chicago is a big city but is the cleanest major city i've ever been to. the area from south loop north to rogers park (about a 6-mile stretch) is squeaky clean, and you don't see garbage bags on street corners, like you see here in NYC. this is one of the reasons why my friends in Chicago would never move to NYC although they love visiting. NYC has a long way to go when it comes to sanitation.

Like I said to you last week when you made this same claim about Chicago versus Chelsea. That is becasue it is so damn cold in Chicago that no one can go outside and the garbage that is there gets blown away from the 60 mph winds that NEVER stop.

I am mostly kidding, but come on. You can pick on a number of nighborhoods for being dirty or unsafe, but Tribeca? Uh, not so much.

There isn't garbage on street corners in Kansas. But nobody really wants to live there, either.

There is a price you pay for excitement, activity, and, well, not being bored to death. If you want a clean street and nothing to do, hey, Chicago and Milwaukee and Buffalo are your place...

There is garbage on the streets here because there's no where to put it. It's not like most 100+ year old buildings have garbage rooms, so where else is it supposed to go?

And nyc10022 - Chicago can be a pretty fun place, but you're right, it's no NYC.

Chicago is a modern city that has alleys. NYC is NOT modern, but old, grimy, and declining.

I do agree that Chicago is a great city as well. It's just not NYC.

waverly, what exactly does NYC offer that Chicago doesn't? in my opinion, Chicago has about 95% of NYC but is cheaper and more livable. the nightlife and social scene in Chicago is actually better than NYC.

Which part of "be gone" don't you understand. If you hate a place so much - move. Clearly to you, it is not better than Chicago. So why are you still here? WE have asked you a few times.

Rufus, I don't want to get into a debate of what Chicago doesn't have in compariosn to NYC. I live in NYC and happen to think that it is a great city. It is not perfect. No city is. When you jam that many people into a little parcel of land you are going to have some things that don't go right, but overall I think NYC is the best city in the world. Chicago is nice, too, but you just start a thread calling Tribeca dirty and I don't see the point. It wasn't like it came up in a discussion where you were trying to learn something or where you were asking for advice. You just sort of said, Tribeca is diry and is a terrible place to live. That is not really a discussion point and I probably should have just ignored it.

There is so much negativity around that I would rather focus on positives and trying to increase knowledge. Feel free to disagree. I just think it is healthier and this is a personal choice.

All the best!

RUFUS= troll who posts on Skyscraper page and city-data.com and bashes NYC.

He doesn't live in NYC, ignore him.

P.S. Chicago is ugly and freezing which is why nobody actually moves to Chicago but moves OUT.

Prada_Addict, i have never posted on skyscraper page or city-data.com. I'm sorry about your delusions.

Chicago has bad winters, but overall, it's more upscale and classy than NYC.

No beach near Chicago either.

Upscale and classy????????????????????

You think any city (let alone Chicago) is more "upscale and classy" than New York? New York is the United States capital of luxury and wealth.

Are you sure you've even been to New York? The more you post, the more transparent you be become.

Please stay in the Mid-West.

Chicago doesn't have many smart people, it doesn't have very much art or music or culture (20 "blues" bars for tourists doesn't cut it), its too cold, the girls are fat, and the food sucks unless you are ok with encased meat and bad pizza for the rest of your life.

But, other than that, its a *great* city.

Chicago is more upscale? rufus, are you aware the most expensive residential street in the United States is in NYC? There is nowhere in Chicago even on the top 20.

Chicago is a very cheap and crappy city, and it's so ironic how people are STILL flocking out of that city in droves, hence the huge decline in population. Chicago is in the negatives in population growth (-62,000), NYC's is up (205,000) so you stand alone on that silly little opinion that Chicago is in any way shape or form superior to New York City.

http://www.usatoday.com/news/nation/census/2007-06-28-census-growth_N.htm

Chicagoans aren't smart, either. New York boasts the most billionaires in the world (around 75 now) and there are only about 10 in Chicago. Hate to be the bearer of bad news but generally, Chicago is just a back-up for losers who can't make it in NYC.

i've lived in NYC for a long time. And yes, I do think Chicago is more "upscale and classy" than NYC. In this city, wealth is concentrated in a few areas, and with the exceptions of streets like central park west, fifth, park, the city just isn't that nice. Chicago has impressive residential buildings everywhere. and the nightlife scene is more polished and sophisticated than NYC's.

ouch, rufus you were just owned.

Yes, Chicago has so much going for it that all the folks that love Chicago are here, paying twice or more what they would in Chicago.

If anything says quality, its lower demand!

rufus, you're wrong again.

Wealth isn't concentrated in a few areas, as you (should) know, Manhattan is the wealthiest county in the United States (look it up) and New York City is home to 6 out of the 10 wealthiest zip codes in the United States, which surprisingly are mostly downtown - NOT on Central Park.

And Chicago does NOT have impressive buildings everywhere (most are ugly) and I can't believe you just uttered that Chicago's night scene is more polished and sophisticated than NYC.

I really don't think you've ever lived in New York because as I've said, the more you reply to me the more transparent and typical-low-skilled blue collar Chicagoan you come out to be. Everything you've said makes absolutely no sense.

According to MSN/Forbes the richest zip code is Sagaponack--in the Hamptons. I would assume most people live full time in the many zip codes in Manhattan that came before Cook
County ealestate.msn.com/buying/articleforbes.aspx?cp-documentid=442496

No zip code in New York County makes the top ten yet. Actually the richest counties are suburbs of DC--with counties in Jersey and Nassau rounding off the top ten www.forbes.com/2008/01/22/counties-rich-income-forbeslife-cx_mw_0122realestate_slide_2.html?thisspeed=20000

But the richest zip codes in New York County are Tribeca and neighboring ones. Then parts of the Upper East Side and Upper West Side. The thing about Manhattan is that wealth is spread around. I don't understand how anybody who claims to be a New Yorker could think wealth is concentrated into a few zip codes Every other block can change in Manhattan.

A wonder of New York is that a super's kid will be bff with a soap star's kid and their frenenemie's will be the famous journalist's kid who is bff with the teacher's kid. Parents who can afford private school choose to send their kids to public ones. I can't argue they're consistently the best around but they do offer diversity and much more

It's fine not to like New York. But to constantly compare it to Chicago?

jadeinNY,

According to the IRS:

Top 10 by income:

New York, NY 10004: $1,192,091

New York, NY:10011 $922,834

New York, NY: 10167 $863,843

New York, NY:10286 $721,000

Los Angeles, CA: $595,527

Miami Beach, FL 33109: $533,062

Jersey City, NJ 07399:$528,021

New York, NY 10165: $523,615

New York, NY 10105: $505,130

New York, NY 10112: $504,891

Los Angeles, CA 90067: $500,106

New York, NY 10110: $498,111

How sad is it to equate class with money?

How sad is it to use the word "class" in the way you just did, Happy?

"I do agree that Chicago is a great city as well. It's just not NYC."

You're right. And NYC isn't Chicago.

Prada_Addict: I'm not too sure what to say about you. Your username says it all.