Harlem Over

You are a retard. You CAN click on whatever neighborhood you want in Brooklyn, Manhattan, or Queens on this site or on any of he sites you listed above. Apparently you are too stupid to know this..

I may be stupid. But I mean when I am doing a search for condos, I don't want to see harlem pop up. I want to scan all areas of the city below 100th street is basically what I am saying. I don't want to sift through endless harlem listings, when the market in harlem is now dormant. In 2003-2005 I could hit the computer and hit "manhattan" and all listings would conveniently spring up except harlem. this does not happen anymore after the harlem boom.

And what about people looking to buy in Harlem like me? Maybe we would like to remove Tribeca. I owned there and prefer Harlem. What's your problem? I suggest that they remove posters like you, so I don't need to read nonsense.

Well it's just my opinion. If no one wants me to post, that's cool... I will monitor all the responses.. so far the consensus is I am not wanted. I CAN TAKE A HINT. Let me feel everyone out a little more though.

why don't you like Harlem chuckufarley? Too many black people for your tastes?

Wow...can't chuckufarley post without being attacked....You had an idea I don't agree with it but nothing wrong with posting it...I get attacked all the time..don't let it get to you.. mimi and everyone are really very nice.

chuckie boy may have a slighter different agenda

Harlem is beautiful... the brownstones, the big expanse.. I just don't like it because of the crime and grime and it is too far from the rest of the city, there are no cabs... very inaccessible. I also think the amenities there are not up to the rest of the city. Throwing up a couple of staples, chuck e. cheese's may be nice. But growing up I guess I always considered harlem as not being "manhattan." I am up there for court, and it remains crime-ridden and rundown, honestly and for the most part unsafe. I have no problem with black people whatsoever. I do have a problem with burnt-out decrepit areas, which honestly I feel Harlem still remains... reminds me of how NYC was until 1992ish (I HATE GIULIANI WHO WAS A FASCIST) but most of manhattan was definitely made safe around that time. Today, I consider the following areas unsafe, Harlem and Alphabet City (off the top of my head.) Everywhere else is pretty much ok when it comes to crime levels.

Chuck, the crime rate in Harlem is actually lower than Greenwich Village, someone reported. The burned out shells are all but gone. I certainly don't feel threatened walking around there.

Not "someone". The FBI. You can look at the neighborhood crime stats in the NYT real estate section online, and Harlem has a lower overall crime rate and a lower violent crime rate then most of the neighborhoods below 110th, save really BPC. And some retort "well, blac people don't report cromes" which is negated by the fact that some of highest crime areas per the FBI in nyc are mostly black parts of the Bronx, Queens, and Brooklyn. So in fact Harlem is far and away the safest mostly black neighborhood in the city, and safer than most mostly white neighborhoods in Manhattan.

Back to OP, you are STUPID. Every single website you list allows you to search for condos by neighborhood or by MULTIPLE neighborhoods. You can search on street easy for all neighborhoods in Manhattan below 110th with a few clicks of a mouse. It took you more time to post on this board than it would for you to search this way.

I seriously considered Central Harlem in 2007. And I was completely charmed by the neighborhood, the people, the mix, the positive, hopeful atmosphere. I really hope it survives, and I think on many levels it will. The people who bought in Harlem, largely, made a commitment to the neighborhood, not just an apartment purchase. Maybe I'm being simplistic, but I looked alot, and I spent quite a bit of time up here checking out the Duane Reade, grocery stores, coffee shops, etc. As I said, it was unbelievably charming. In no other neighborhood have I seen a local woman question a child as to why he wasn't in school, where was his mother, etc. People knew each other, and the children, and they cared.

Harlem used to be one of the most undesirable areas to live in during the era of the '70's and well into the height of the crack scene during the decade of the '80's. That being said, so was Tompkins Square Park in the East Village; transients, squatters, drug addicts and the whole gang of the usual suspects. Areas that used to be blighted such as the South Bronx, Harlem, Bed-Stuy, Brownsville, East New York, and Washington Heights are only changing due to one thing- GENTRIFICATION. Landlords, raise the rents only because people have the audacity to pay. If everyone stopped paying the ridiculous prices for anything, such as your hard-earned maoney for Personal seat licenses @ ballparks, then prices come down. Simple supply/demand folks. For example, do you think if the vacancy rate was 40%, rents would be sky high?. Landlords took in any tenant they could - section 8 and anyone else breathing on government assistance because they knew they would be getting a portion of the subsidy from the government. Now that there is gentrification, gov't programs aren't attractive because those rents are capped due to the income of the tenant. NEW YORK CITY IS DIVIDED INTO 2 GROUPS OF PEOPLE: THE HAVES AND THE HAVE NOTS. People with deep pockest DO NOT LIVE AROUND PEOPLE WHO DO NOT HAVE DEEP POCKETS. There will always be those who can afford to pay and those who cannot. Those who cannot, live well outside of BPC, near Central Park, Yorkville, and West End Ave., The Village- West and East, and virtually any area south of 96th st. If you don't have the dollars, then you look north of 96th street; market rate we're talkin' here. Crime is everywhere, but people who live on ritzy Park Ave. south of 96th street do not have to worry about your typical drug peddler from the hood. No, their worry is the typical madam bringing in her Clien no. 9's with deep pockets paying for sex. That being said, it's all relative. If I were looking for a place to live without the worry of crime and quality of life, I'd simply move out of NYC and live in the burbs. Move right next door to a potential lunatic who might be like the guy in binghamton, ny or the one at virginia tech univ. or the one in maryland or the one in alabama, or the one......you get my point.

um, i think you're not quite right. it's a bit more nuanced than that. the haves (of a certain sort) have ramped up the values in the LES, Chelsea, etc. And there are plenty of people who are "have nots" as you put it, there.

and, back in the day, western Harlem was quite acceptable.

back in the day, harlem was a kill zone. I can tell you without a doubt that there were streets you could not enter unless you had I.D. showing you lived there. I know this because I was a cop in the 30th pct and I lived in Harlem since "back in the day" U?.

my back in the day was probably before your time. i was just pointing out that certain neighborhoods have gone through more cycles than most of us remember.

back in the day 20s is very different than the 40s than the 70s than the 00s.

and "harlem" is not just one small area. as i'm sure the police precinct statistics show.

unless you lived in Harlem during the days of the empty, burned out buildings and drug dealers and crack dealers, don't sell wolf tickets here. Tell your story walking to someone who wasn't there. I was, so I know what I'm talking about. If you weren't there, and it certainly sounds like you definitely were not, then take it from someone who knows.

Back in the day this was all trees and marsh.

hey, i lived in hell's kitchen during the down days (i lived across the street from the crack park on 46th street). really, you need to stop the assumptions.

oh, and by the way, have you been up there recently? new knowledge not gained is probably a greater deficit than ancient knowledge not lived.

"hey, i lived in hell's kitchen during the down days (i lived across the street from the crack park on 46th street)."

you mean "Hell's Kitchen Park"? - my big flat faced it from living room - one night I looked out those windows to see the backs of some 15 or so guys with their hands up, cops behind them - beginning of Prosecutor Giuliani's "full court press" campaign - also came home to blood trails on the sidewalk, and vomit in my vestibule, and had to say "excuse me" to get past the people sitting on the indoor stairs making drug deals - when I go back now it reminds me of what Greenwich Village was once upon a time - people who think Harlem won't go the way of the rest of the city are dreaming - BTW, there's now a "patisserie/chocolatier" at something like 116th and Lexington

When my friend's mother was an Upper West Side high school girl, she was allowed to go to Harlem until all hours of the night on weekends -- but she was strictly forbidden from going two avenues over, to the dangerous Irish part of the UWS, at any time of day.

She didn't have the option of deselecting that area from her searches. OP does.

chuckufarley seems pretty ignorant!!!

lowery, maybe we were neighbors.

lowery...i understand your posting about hells kitchen but harlem in bad financial times i don't see investors starting a business or bldg. up the commercial area only because of fear of losing their investment..has nothing to do with color of people but with the financial crisis hitting manhattan.

Yes, investors might be more fearful of Harlem these days...which doesn't mean that this area has to be deleted from the RE map. It's like because high end apts are not showing any sales they should be erased from the search...This Chucky guy comment is meant to be inflammatory. And we bite.

We are also veering off point - rather than defend harlem, we should point out AGAIN that one CAN search on ALL the sites he mentions in JUST the Fidi or wherever one wants. No one makes harlem come up unless he is so stupid they he just selcts "Manhattan ALL" which is stupid not just because in includes Harlem, but because it includes areas he clearly cannot afford like Tribeca above Chambers, Meatpacking, Lenix Hill, etc. So lets focus on why he stupid.

Chessmaster.... do Taz, Sluggo and Rambo mean anything to you???????

http://www.streeteasy.com/nyc/property/306-west-116-street-manhattan

according to broker (and Acris) bought for $3.2 million 10/28/2005

now asking $1.475 million.

306 west 116 went into foreclosure
the broker is listing it for the bank
given that there is no construction money it is unlikely to move unless there is a still more drastic reduction in price
Smells of a major scam. It should never have been worth $3.2 million. Someone robbed the bank

the best way to rob a bank is with a pen, not a gun.

wow 30yrs, nice catch. "directly next to a 19' wide New York City Community Garden. Can you say 'almost permanent east park views'? Your future can be invested in the most re-built area of Harlem where a Subway Sandwich, Starbucks Coffee and even the B/C train are all within a one block radius from your new creation. Build your profit-center today."

what the heck is "Can you say 'almost permanent east park views'?" todd stevens thought long about either poetry or real estate. finally settled for the second, given the synergies. there should be a thread on broker's verbosity.