the city’s hottest new neighborhood. Steps away from several of New York’s lush and inviting parks

No but I love the area a few blocks West. Close to everything. Near Madison Square Park which is really nice. They are pushing it as the hottest area!

they are also pushing their prices. a reality check is in order here.

i think the reality is that tempo is doomed. i believe at the end of the day that developer paid somewhere over $600 pbsf.

if I could afford $880k for a studio (crazy) I would definitely not spend it on east 23rd street...lots of foot traffic because of the train and it has a tarnished look about it..charley is right a few blocks west and it could be nice but not yet.

A million dollars and it doesn't even have a real kitchen!

Madison Square Park is a park for the 'park desperate' of the Rose Hill/Flat Iron hoods. Gramercy Park is private. I'm not saying it's not central but, that's about all I'll say. Unless you need to live near work or are trying to make an uptown/downtown relationship or have scored the 'deal of the centry' (like 1 Madison for 10cents on the dollar) why would you live here? One tip, this is a great area for singles especially if your running a volume operation.

Falco - I love the neighborhood. Why wouldn't you live there. It's very central and nice. Lots of families - I live near there and know.

falco...a volume operation..you always have me laughing.

falco, very funny. but i must disagree on Madison Square Park. As a parent it is a lovely mix of people, very international and fairly down to earth, with nice facilities, which makes it far more than a "park desperate" for families. And it has the dog area. And shackburgers!

I think the volume operations occur(red) further north. I've lived on 23rd Street for 13 years (3 different addresses, you'd think I could move on). Central is a great location but not worth anything near what they are asking for it. And that Rem hideosity that is going up (along with some other developments primarily to the North of the Park), are seriously detracting in my opinion. I don't know where the neighborhood will be in a couple of years, but I'm not hopeful either way (successful or failed developments).

aboutready, wouldn't you rather stay in PCV than live in Tempo? When you walk out of your apt, you have trees, flowers, grass, relative quiet - when you walk out of tempo, you're in a busy unattractive interesection with buses and trucks on 23rd and 2nd ave. Trucks travel on 2nd ave, and all the express buses going to Brooklyn and SI are on 23rd?

I have kids so I prefer Peter Cooper.

Madison Square Park is gorgeous. A ton of $ was spent on it, beautiful plantings.

a_g, for many reasons i'd prefer PCV, not the least of which is price. but i used to live in the building next to Tempo (glad i'm not there right now) with a child, and it was a pretty good location for a family. i agree, though, with a young child PCV is hard to beat. and, unlike some, i don't entirely abhor the influx of the college kids and young grads here. with some of the bad should come some good (better food options, for example). this general neighborhood is evolving in ways that seem positive to me (other than the landlord's activities), while the Flatiron location that I have always loved seems to be trying to turn itself into something I'm not interested in.

i was in stuyvesant town on sunday and the apartments are huge but i got a feeling of a planned community in the old soviet union...it just seems strange. Kids did seem happy with a lot of space to play, etc.

23rd and second? They kidding with this? You're a block from those projecty things (philo t phipps or something). Bad transportation (have to walk just to get to the local 6).

And anything think walking from 2nd ave to madison is "near". Seriously, stop drinking the lool aid.

Restaurants / food pretty lousy.

Hell, this location makes murray hill look like the west village.

so, in short, I don't think it gets any less hot than this area.

23rd street itself is a bit too rough for families, with it's low end retail attracting the eccentric croud. And there are a lot of less desirable institutions on certain blocks. I aplaud the 23rd street Madison Park facing buildings that created entrances on 22nd St.

Yes, that is smart... of course, those buildings are nowhere near this one.

This thing is closer to the river than madison square park.

You're overpaying for glorified PCV.

23rd Street rough? wow. how silly of me to have raised a family in such decrepit surroundings. i'm certain if i'd only been smart enough i would have felt threatened and unhappy in myriad ways.

10022, UES is definitely less hot.

UES is one of the least hot neighborhoods in Manhattan, for sure, but far east 23rd makes it look like Brady's girlfriend.

I'd make fun of an ad that said something about the UES being hot, but 23rd and 2nd, thats just ridiculous.

Come'on...23rd street has always been a bit unusual. Low End Retail and Quirky Characters hanging out on the streets. I am not sure where you live, but a lot of it had to do with the numerous derelict buildings and construction sites. If I got out on the 6 train at Lex/23rd and needed to go East, I would not be walking down 23rd, I would walk a block South to 22nd which is like night and day.

Those buildings that sat vacant for years and years where Tempo is now going up were horrible. I think the street may get some relief now that a few large buildings have taken hold between 1st and 6th Avenues. I think there is another rental building going up on 24th as well...a/way aren't all the double wide streets that are zoned for retail a bit less desirable????

Absolutely. You have the projects across the street. Retail always crappy, the mcdonalds, etc. The other side of the street even worse because its in those project buildings.

Tempo is actually built over what was empty synagogue. It was there for like 15 years unused.

Projects across the streets can mean people like Howard Schultz, Spike Lee, Judge Sotomayor.

Yes, and those people LEFT THE PROJECTS when they had the money.

Even they don't want to live near them, let alone in them.

across the street is mitchell-lama, not the projects. i think this is one of the most ill-advised projects on the market, but this neighborhood is perfectly safe. i lived next door for five years from 1996-2000, with a baby. you guys are total wusses. a bit less desirable is hardly the same as a slum. east 23rd retail served the people who live in the neighborhood, such as residents of PCV who have had little to no interest historically in "fancy" retail and restaurants. i find it a pity, because i enjoy a good meal myself, but it's hardly a sign of blight. this has just been a middle-class family-oriented neighborhood.

> a bit less desirable is hardly the same as a slum.

Not being a slum is a FAR cry from saying it's the "hottest new neighborhood".

That someone is arguing that its not a slum sorta proves the point.

nyc10022, when did i ever say it was the hottest new neighborhood? i posted something after the OP, which i am now discussing. follow along, it makes the conversation more meaningful.

When your head is in the clouds and you're off from everyone else, perhaps you should be taking, not giving, the advice to follow along...

piss off.

AR, if you're going to start the pissing match, don't complain you don't like the rain.

Woah! This conversation is getting a bit heated. I wouldnt say 23d and 2nd is is necessarily and slum but it would be a far stretch from hot or even really "up and coming". But i recently saw Madison Square Park and it does look better than how i remember it.

Madison Square Park has definitely improved, but this just 'aint Madison Square Park...