If the govt. was planning all along to have a rigged election with Ahmadnutajob the winner, why even bother having a debate?
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Response by Riversider
over 17 years ago
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Good questions Alpine. I suspect a few things
1) The candidates the four candidates were screened so the establishment must have viewed
them as acceptable
2) There are clearly differences, yet they are all conservatives. We're not talking
talking Socialists vs Conservatives
3) Iran is a comlex society, containing College educated Engineers, Doctors and the like.
To say there is one gov't might be an over-reach. There are probably factions in the
gov't and now we're seeing them react
4) I personally wonder if a segment of the population is reacting to some excesses of
the revolution. While not the same, there might be parallels to the French revolution.
I also found another MEMRI link. They seem to have reasonably objective analyses.
This is one we're screwing up on. I'll be basic. We're not appreciating the dynamics of what's going on. This is significant and the United States needs to pay attention.
I like Charles Krauthammer. He's a paraplegic but knew enough not to show up when Obama invited him to a ceremony regarding stem cell research..but that's another story...
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Response by stakan
over 17 years ago
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Riversider, how many times did you see unarmed demonstrators being shot at, and you thought, it cannot be in vain; the revolution will make things right.
Russia: luminaries, recognized names being mauled by soldiers and police in full view of photojournalists. Consequences? NONE.
What's more, I can assure you that people in Iran outside of Tehran have no idea what's going on.
Like Russians have no idea what's going on unless they witness it.
That's how fascism and totaltarism work.
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Response by emmapup
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Riversider, this is not a current events forum. It's a real estate forum. Maybe you should take it somewhere else? I realize you are a news junkie, but not all of us are interested in reading in a real estate blog about "Iranian President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad Clashes with Candidate Mir Hossein Mousavi in Televised Debate." Thank you for your consideration.
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Riversider, this is not a current events forum
It is now..
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Ok, news junkie, since you apparently don't have a life or are too stupid to start your own blog so you can wank on about this stuff elsewhere, I'll just ignore you even though I think occasionally you do have something interesting to say about real estate.
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Response by cherrywood
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Riversider, you are abusing this forum. I'm as interested in what's going on in Iran as anyone, but there are plenty of other more appropriate posting possibilities elsewhere.
the Republicans did not push Obama around. I fact, John Bolton, Bush's ultra right wing U.N. ambassador who was never confirmed by the Senate, actually agreed with Obama's response to Iran.
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the Republicans did not push Obama around. I fact, John Bolton, Bush's ultra right wing U.N. ambassador who was never confirmed by the Senate, actually agreed with Obama's response to Iran.
Listing one Republican who agreed with Obama is like saying the exception is the rule..
Lindsay Graham, John McCain,Richard Perle, chuck Grassley. More Republicans attacked Obama than supported him.
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and Sen. Richard Luger, the top Republican on the Foreign Relations Committe, recently said that he agrees with Obama regarding talking with Iran.
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and Sen. Richard Luger
already saw that.... that makes 2. Funny how the head-lines never said Republicans support Obama on Iran?? For what it's woth, I agree with Richard Luger, besides the u.s. has no leverage here. but the argument that Republicans support obama on Iran is weak.
most Republicans are not going to support Obama because then that would look bad for them with their base. If Obama had come out more forcefully against Iran right away, they still would have attacked him. Any Republican who becomes too supportive of Obama's policies will find themselves facing a tough primary election. Just ask Arlen Spector.
televised debate. yes there are subtitles..
http://www.memritv.org/clip/en/2137.htm
If the govt. was planning all along to have a rigged election with Ahmadnutajob the winner, why even bother having a debate?
Good questions Alpine. I suspect a few things
1) The candidates the four candidates were screened so the establishment must have viewed
them as acceptable
2) There are clearly differences, yet they are all conservatives. We're not talking
talking Socialists vs Conservatives
3) Iran is a comlex society, containing College educated Engineers, Doctors and the like.
To say there is one gov't might be an over-reach. There are probably factions in the
gov't and now we're seeing them react
4) I personally wonder if a segment of the population is reacting to some excesses of
the revolution. While not the same, there might be parallels to the French revolution.
I also found another MEMRI link. They seem to have reasonably objective analyses.
http://memri.org/bin/latestnews.cgi?ID=IA52209
The digital age greets Iran.
http://www.breitbart.com/article.php?id=CNG.28f15ccf6415fb715cc41b255a013138.c11&show_article=1
http://www.realclearpolitics.com/articles/2009/06/19/this_is_for_real_97060.html
This is one we're screwing up on. I'll be basic. We're not appreciating the dynamics of what's going on. This is significant and the United States needs to pay attention.
http://www.realclearpolitics.com/articles/2009/06/19/obama_clueless_on_iran.html
I like Charles Krauthammer. He's a paraplegic but knew enough not to show up when Obama invited him to a ceremony regarding stem cell research..but that's another story...
Riversider, how many times did you see unarmed demonstrators being shot at, and you thought, it cannot be in vain; the revolution will make things right.
Russia: luminaries, recognized names being mauled by soldiers and police in full view of photojournalists. Consequences? NONE.
What's more, I can assure you that people in Iran outside of Tehran have no idea what's going on.
Like Russians have no idea what's going on unless they witness it.
That's how fascism and totaltarism work.
Riversider, this is not a current events forum. It's a real estate forum. Maybe you should take it somewhere else? I realize you are a news junkie, but not all of us are interested in reading in a real estate blog about "Iranian President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad Clashes with Candidate Mir Hossein Mousavi in Televised Debate." Thank you for your consideration.
Riversider, this is not a current events forum
It is now..
Ok, news junkie, since you apparently don't have a life or are too stupid to start your own blog so you can wank on about this stuff elsewhere, I'll just ignore you even though I think occasionally you do have something interesting to say about real estate.
Riversider, you are abusing this forum. I'm as interested in what's going on in Iran as anyone, but there are plenty of other more appropriate posting possibilities elsewhere.
you are abusing this forum
http://www.streeteasy.com/nyc/home/terms
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Riversider = Matt Drudge fedora-sniffer. Nice "news" sources, dork.
And it's over, but not before Obama let's the Republicans push him around...
http://online.wsj.com/article/SB124583232591946385.html
the Republicans did not push Obama around. I fact, John Bolton, Bush's ultra right wing U.N. ambassador who was never confirmed by the Senate, actually agreed with Obama's response to Iran.
the Republicans did not push Obama around. I fact, John Bolton, Bush's ultra right wing U.N. ambassador who was never confirmed by the Senate, actually agreed with Obama's response to Iran.
Listing one Republican who agreed with Obama is like saying the exception is the rule..
Lindsay Graham, John McCain,Richard Perle, chuck Grassley. More Republicans attacked Obama than supported him.
and Sen. Richard Luger, the top Republican on the Foreign Relations Committe, recently said that he agrees with Obama regarding talking with Iran.
and Sen. Richard Luger
already saw that.... that makes 2. Funny how the head-lines never said Republicans support Obama on Iran?? For what it's woth, I agree with Richard Luger, besides the u.s. has no leverage here. but the argument that Republicans support obama on Iran is weak.
http://online.wsj.com/article/SB124559864396134983.html
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/31487261/ns/politics-capitol_hill/
most Republicans are not going to support Obama because then that would look bad for them with their base. If Obama had come out more forcefully against Iran right away, they still would have attacked him. Any Republican who becomes too supportive of Obama's policies will find themselves facing a tough primary election. Just ask Arlen Spector.