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Shadow sales?

Started by 30yrs_RE_20_in_REO
about 17 years ago
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We've seen an awful lot of talk about shadow inventory. We've also heard how much sales volume has picked up in terms of units going into contract, bidding activity, etc. but so far, I haven't seen any evidence that it has shown up in the closed sales data. Could someone point me to all the closed sales which should be taking place based on those green shoots throughout the Spring? They must be there somewhere, but I just can't seem to find them? Where am I missing them?
Response by 30yrs_RE_20_in_REO
about 17 years ago
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BTW, from what I can see, ACRIS looks like it shows about 470 transactions for May (including commercial buildings, etc.)

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Response by marco_m
about 17 years ago
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is 470 low or high?

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Response by NYRENewbie
about 17 years ago
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I think you may see them in a few months. It takes a while to close, especially coops.

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Response by Topper
about 17 years ago
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I've been bewildered as well by the apparent disconnect between signed contracts and sales. All I can think is that it reflects what NYRENewbie has said - that it often takes a good two months between contract and close.

The sales numbers we are currently seeing do seem to dovetail with the contract level prevailing a couple of months ago.

That said, I've been pretty astounded by how apparently robust the market has been over the past month in terms of contract signings. That goes for the published stats as well as places that I've been following myself.

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Response by evnyc
about 17 years ago
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Topper, I've been shocked as well. Looking at the data has made me modify my thinking about the future of the market somewhat. I really don't know what to make of it; I would have thought total devastation, but in reality things seem to be bumping along rather well.

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Response by Topper
about 17 years ago
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Indeed, evncy.

There is huge pent up demand out there as witness recent contract signings.

Time will tell. We've probably seen some "buying the dip." But I'm still (pretty) confident that there are more dips to come. Regardless, unlike the stock market, residential real estate doesn't turn on a dime and it's probably well worth continuing a "wait-and-see" posture. It'll also be interesting to see whether activity withers with the start of the seasonally slow summer months.

I think it's also worth noting that the increased sales activity hasn't meant higher prices - just the contrary. As I understand it Miller Samuel has indicated prices seem to have dropped an additional 5% in the second quarter.

In the meantime, I just renewed my lease with a 14% drop for one year. Yea!

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