We all know real estate inflation has caused some serious damage in our society. I spend a lot of time on the Net with my family, and I see so many ads for online education. I think that education inflation has caused similar problems for our siciety. People spend tons of money to get degrees from online colleges, degrees that are expensive, degrees that teach them nothing, degrees that would have... [more]
We all know real estate inflation has caused some serious damage in our society. I spend a lot of time on the Net with my family, and I see so many ads for online education. I think that education inflation has caused similar problems for our siciety. People spend tons of money to get degrees from online colleges, degrees that are expensive, degrees that teach them nothing, degrees that would have been laughed at 15 years ago and should be laughed at today except for all of the money spent to promote them. Go to the Net, see what I saw with all the education advertisements. They wouldn't advertise if it wasn't so profitable. A whole new industry has been created that inflates expectations but offers no solutions and doesn't actually educate our workforce. This inflation is just as bad, and probably actually goes hand in hand with real estate inflation. People felt they were more educated and could get better jobs and therefore could afford more housing.
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Response by LESLOVER
about 17 years ago
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Maybe I should have titled this
Obama Asks Moms to Return to School!
Enroll Today. Start Classes Next Week.
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Response by The_President
about 17 years ago
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Higher education, especially for profit education, is one of the few sectors that is still profitable. Are you proposing that we kill one of the few remaining vibrant sectors of our economy? And as far as online schools not being legitimate, I guess NYU and Columbia are not legitimate schools as they both offer online degrees:
For-profit schools are intended to suck money from the gullible. Or more precisely, from the government via loans. One of the Bush administration's legacies is the attempted legitimization of those frauds. Fortunately, people who hire aren't falling for it.
The acid test: on a school's website, look for the faculty directory. If there isn't one, worry. Who's ashamed of whom?
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Response by The_President
about 17 years ago
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I don't see a faculty index on the NYC SCPS website:
And besides, who cares if a school is for profit? Sure, for profits cost more, but I have never seen any evidence to indicate that the quality of education is inferior compared to state/ community colleges. We already have for profit public schools in 24 states:
You didn't look very hard. SCPS faculty are in the main NYU directory and on the department pages. Compare with joke schools like http://www.phoenix.edu.
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Response by The_President
about 17 years ago
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for profit schools typically don't list their faculty because they don't have them. They mainly rely on adjuncts, who only get paid by the class they teach and are not tenured.
But still, I have not seen any evidence to indicate that the quality of education at a for profit school is inferior to that of a community college. In fact, many for profits use the SAME textbooks and the SAME adjunct professors who also teach at community colleges. So at a for profit school, your basically getting the exact same eudcation as you would at a community college. The only difference is that you don't have to go through the hassle of transferring to a 4 year school after you graduate.
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Response by NWT
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That's what they must mean by the "credits are unlikely to transfer" disclaimer. Anyway, as long as you feel you got your money's worth....
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Response by notadmin
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"In fact, many for profits use the SAME textbooks and the SAME adjunct professors who also teach at community colleges. So at a for profit school, your basically getting the exact same eudcation as you would at a community college."
it might be ok for undergrad degrees. after all, tenured faculty is famous for not dedicating time to the undergrads and the courses are increasingly being taught by phd candidates and tenured track that just are starting teaching. why would a professor that knows the material better and dedicates time to the students would be any worse? just cause he doesn't have a tenure?
the joke for me is at the graduate level. phoenix provides a phd in nursing, wft is that? it's at the graduate level when you need the tenure/research producing faculty. but then, phd candidates don't pay (they get paid to study).
Maybe I should have titled this
Obama Asks Moms to Return to School!
Enroll Today. Start Classes Next Week.
Higher education, especially for profit education, is one of the few sectors that is still profitable. Are you proposing that we kill one of the few remaining vibrant sectors of our economy? And as far as online schools not being legitimate, I guess NYU and Columbia are not legitimate schools as they both offer online degrees:
http://www.nyu.edu/public.affairs/releases/detail/183
http://www.cvn.columbia.edu/
For-profit schools are intended to suck money from the gullible. Or more precisely, from the government via loans. One of the Bush administration's legacies is the attempted legitimization of those frauds. Fortunately, people who hire aren't falling for it.
The acid test: on a school's website, look for the faculty directory. If there isn't one, worry. Who's ashamed of whom?
I don't see a faculty index on the NYC SCPS website:
http://www.scps.nyu.edu/
And besides, who cares if a school is for profit? Sure, for profits cost more, but I have never seen any evidence to indicate that the quality of education is inferior compared to state/ community colleges. We already have for profit public schools in 24 states:
http://www.edisonlearning.com/about_us
You didn't look very hard. SCPS faculty are in the main NYU directory and on the department pages. Compare with joke schools like http://www.phoenix.edu.
for profit schools typically don't list their faculty because they don't have them. They mainly rely on adjuncts, who only get paid by the class they teach and are not tenured.
But still, I have not seen any evidence to indicate that the quality of education at a for profit school is inferior to that of a community college. In fact, many for profits use the SAME textbooks and the SAME adjunct professors who also teach at community colleges. So at a for profit school, your basically getting the exact same eudcation as you would at a community college. The only difference is that you don't have to go through the hassle of transferring to a 4 year school after you graduate.
That's what they must mean by the "credits are unlikely to transfer" disclaimer. Anyway, as long as you feel you got your money's worth....
"In fact, many for profits use the SAME textbooks and the SAME adjunct professors who also teach at community colleges. So at a for profit school, your basically getting the exact same eudcation as you would at a community college."
it might be ok for undergrad degrees. after all, tenured faculty is famous for not dedicating time to the undergrads and the courses are increasingly being taught by phd candidates and tenured track that just are starting teaching. why would a professor that knows the material better and dedicates time to the students would be any worse? just cause he doesn't have a tenure?
the joke for me is at the graduate level. phoenix provides a phd in nursing, wft is that? it's at the graduate level when you need the tenure/research producing faculty. but then, phd candidates don't pay (they get paid to study).