AZURE intelligence! == new construction on 91st & 1st

Anyone residing in New York who is offended by the ever useful "f" word doesn't get out much; it is just part of our common fabric. If you go on the board and continue to post stupid stuff, you'll get called out. This prudish recoiling at a pretty mild insult is just diversionary.

hi MidtownerEast, you said "If you go on the board and continue to post stupid stuff, you'll get called out", and I completely agree with that. I am here exactly to call out the "stupid" stuff. We will differ in our opinions from time to time, but we can all remain civil and courteous. This is not a place for shouting match or p*ssing contest.

As "twinkle" said the other day, please point out the "stupid stuff" that anyone has posted here. Please back up your claim(s) with facts/evidence. I do share some of your thoughs on Sarah Palin but this is a thread dedicated to Azure so prefer not to waste anyone's time here.

W81. Youve got to be kidding me? If hsbc, BofA and Citibank all took their failed developer funded bldgs and somehow managed to cross syndicate their individual loans to 'buyers' by some miracle of bubble finance the development will no longer go under?

WOW, let me call my credit Dept and show them how if we add mortgages from different parts of the country with different ethnic sounding last names, our paper won't go to shit!!!!! IT ain't selling BC it's still bubble priced. It's asset based financing at this point in the game. No one trusts your income. 16% underemployed. Flmaoz.

Azureowner how do you like your toast?

333 east? Doesn't that out you in the river?

Just heard from City Council Member Jessica Lappin, "... Last night the Panel for Educational Policy (PEP) officially approved the plan to relocate Richard Green High School to a campus downtown and then use the building on 88th Street as a permanent home for PS 151. This means that the families at PS 151 finally have a permanent school building they can call home!...".

This is a very positive development for Yorkville in general and for Azure in particular. For years and years, Yorkville community had no public primary school of its own. Kids got assigned into other public schools through a lottery system. Imagine that! In September 2009 NYC Dept of Education opened PS 151 (a.k.a Yorkville Community School) at a landmark church building on E 91st Street. Only in its 2nd year, PS 151 has already won a number of awards and it is well on its way to become a very promising public school. But until last night it did not have its own permanent facility so its future remained a bit uncertain. Now it has got a permanent facility site on E 88th between York and 1st Ave. As good schools mean good real estate in general, happy to hear the good news as an owner at Azure!

w67: That's an intriguing point about cross-syndication creating an illusion of liquidity. It doesn't even require a conspiracy. If Chase, Wells and BofA start lending at Azure, and they're just lending to the same borrowers who would have qualified with HSBC, there's no real infusion of liquidity. All that changes is HSBC's exposure. From the buyer's PoV, money is money; price is price; and debt is debt.

What the building might gain from multiple lenders is a bit of credibility that it lacks with only one funding source, one that is hugely long the building anyway and therefore has an obvious incentive - at least at the holding company level - to write mortgages there.

W81 :)

Underazureowner. Pulblic school?, how fking poor r u? Over bubble housed under kiddie education funded!

w67thstreet, if you constantly feel the urgent to vent your anger and talk trash to feel better, you probably should see a shrink. You got issues.

Yes, I feel very poor. And I try to save money wherever I can. As I wrote last week, Azure actually saved me at least $500-600/sqft (compared to other high-quality new developments in the area). $500-600 per sqft times the size of my unit. Saved a bunch! With the still low mortgage rate from HSBC by historical standards, I've finally managed to have cash in my pocket to spend ;)

On a serious note, why insult public schools so broadly? A good public school in the neighorhood is generally good for residual home prices. With the establishment of PS 151 in Yorkville, home prices here should benefit, assuming PS 151 is here to stay and grow strong.

Doesn't that mean that Yorkville is ghettoized, and its children can't attend the better schools in wealthier catchment zones west and south? Yes, I think so.

Yorkville ghettoized? I'm missing the smiley face on that alanhart. My sense is that 151 will be a leading PS School within a few years, maybe less. Why? Demographics have utterly changed since 20 years ago when the original bad old, asbestos filled and then "ghettoized" 151 existed where the new, now somewhat overpriced Azure stands(see how I got the Azure back in the conversation!).Moving Richard Green off of 88th Street is dropping a potential racial powder key into cold water. All you ever had to do was walk down 87th, 88th, or 89th Street around First Avenue everyday at 3 o'clock to understand.

Azure owner 1 Answer to you question on Fannie Mae approval of a building. When the "mega banks finish their underwriting with an approval from Fannie Mae I will post. The issue is, is Fannie Mae ready to approve the underwriting of new construction towers in Manhattan prior to 50% sold. The answer is Fannie Mae is in the process of approving a new set of lux new construction buildings as we speak. Waivers have been granted quality buildings with substantial sponsors. This information comes directly from two mega money center banks’ Fannie Mae desks. Whenever Fannie Mae approves Azure it will have a dramatic effect on the value of the building. With greater Liquidity and occupancy market prices generally increase. Check the historical price increases experienced at the Laurel, Georgica, Brompton, Lucida, 170 east end Ave after they got to 50% a present sold and obtained the liquidity of several lenders. A prospective buyer from this weekend stated that similar units at laurel are now approaching $2,000 per foot. Note see street easy closed deals for unit 21 A closed 11/17/2010 had a 3.6% discount from listing price. Closed price $1,999 psf. 14A closed 02/08/2010 at $1,444 psf at a 17.9% discount from list. Also the Laurel does not have a 4brs of 3,000 sf. Their units are smaller. Please note over this 9 month period, during which period laurel exceeded 50% sold, their discount from asking price was reduced by 14.3%. This equals a swing of over $400,000 invalue on unit 14 a in 9 months. When a building turns positive in a rising market it happens very quickly. The exact magnitude of percentage and dollar increases depends on several factors. Timing a purchase to get the maximum discount is very difficult to achieve. In this market I suggest purchasers should focus on good quality construction, is the neighborhood improving, How long do you intend on living there, will you family be happy with your neighbors, is these an informed judgment that NYC economy will continue to improve over the time you intend to stay there. I have no better crystal ball than anyone else on what the future will bring but the last three real estate cycles I have experienced have had similar results.

Oh no Fking way! That's gotta be the longest version of 'buy now or be priced out forever!' Flmaoz.

. R u buying? Flmaoz

With the establishment of PS 151 in Yorkville, home prices here should benefit

Sorry, no impact at all. I'll use PS158 and PS6 as examples. The percentage of students that must commute to those school (from afar) is much higher than you think. Any person or persons that can establish that zone as their work place can also send their child there. Once the child is in attendance it is to the end even if the parent's job location changes or ends. If you think PS151 will reflect the children in the immediate vicinity you will be disappointed. What you might consider a pretty mediocre school your cleaning lady who lives in Bedford Sty might think is a real step up from the school by her home. The super of the building next to mine thinks that. My receptionist from the Bronx thinks that. They send her kid to PS158. I'm not making a judgment. Be prepared to be under whelmed by the public school system, especially district 2 which is rated 368th (of 640 districts).
Then again it all depends on your expectations for your child's education. And now for the dig...if I lived in that swanky building I'd home school my kid b/c that's what I'd be able to aff.............

oh my f'ng lord. what are fannie mae limits? and how many of your apartments fall within them?

mattonegroup, this entire post is deceptive. and poorly written, but that's just an aside. and if fannie mae is indeed approving such projects, well, that just tells you how desperate the powers that be are to artificially prop up prices. because there's nothing that artificially props up prices like unjustified lenient lending standards. so buyers, beware. you may get your loan now, because banks need to be bailed out, but once they're doing better, don't expect easy lending standards to persist.

and why were all of your listings removed yesterday?

listings? We don't need no stinkin' listings.

Falcogold: the facts in your posts re public school and price are only marginally relevant.

You should check out the article written by your friend aboutready herself in oct 2010, "how much is your school zone worth", according to the "comp queen" herself the apt in ps 6 zone is valued at $1500+, 270 to 550 more than ps 290 and 198. To me that is a huge difference.

Just google the title you will see it.

Regarding the choice of public school, I know quite a few doctors from Cornell, Lenox hill etc. who send their kids to public schools. People do that for a number of reasons and there is no need for you to pass judgement on that.

hey twinkie, exactly. is azure is ps6?

and i'm kind of curious, twinkie. how many of those people you know who send their kids to public schools continue to do so in middle school?

No. At least not yet.

Azureowner 1 tried to make a point that establishment of a good school is good for prices in the neighborhood.

Falcogold disagreed. My point is a good school does make a difference, according to yourself.

Ps151 is a promising school but it is not ps6, but azure is not commanding ps6 price either.

a good school may increase the value of your property. it might not be appropriate for your child. particularly for middle school and beyond. i think your zoned middle school is still an absolutely nasty choice. hopefully things will be better going forward.

Not sure. Don't know many people in that age group.

Just saw your last comment, that I agree generally, although I think it is a separate issue here.

A good school helps the value that is the issue being discussed. Doesn't mean you have to send kids to the neighborhood schools.

Details in the Azure area Neighborhood concerning schools. Sacred Heart Private School located across the street from The Cooper Hewitt Museum off 5th Ave at 1 East 91st street, has purchased the Verizon building located 1/2 block from Azure on 91st street between 1st and York for $23,000,000. In addition their investment will in total be in 10's of millions of dollars to construct their state of the art athletic facility. The Private School Trevor Day has purchased a development site at 312 East 95th street to consolidate their existing two facilities currently located further south. High quality educational institutional investment currently being done in the Azure neighborhood indicates three things.
1) The demographics of Yorkville is improving
2) High Quality Educational Institutional investment improves property values
3) The reason these institutions are investing in Yorkville is they are locating their facilities in neighborhoods that are in close proximity to their high net worth student bodies' families

whaaaa?
this means there will be fewer bldgs suitable for the building of new schools (public or private), with room for more students. what a laughable stretch that your development will benefit because sacred heart and trevor will be building gyms nearby???

if anything, when buildings like yours fill up (granted, that may be a while) the crowding of public schools in the neighborhod will worsen, and the demand (cost) for the privates will increase, as will admissions competitiveness

what buildings like yours will ultimately do to the already difficult neighborhood school situation in is something you should not be discussing

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apt in ps 6 zone is valued at $1500+, 270 to 550 more than ps 290 and 198. To me that is a huge difference.

perhaps another factor in the price difference might be that ps6 zone includes 5th, park, and madison aves? perhaps.

Trevor day is not building gyms it is the consolidation of their existing educational facilities into one location onto 95th street. MS 114 which we built for NYC and PS 151 do benefit our building. That is what the owners of residences at Azure have said. One of our purchasers mentioned his child went to Trevor Day.

Maybe the east side is very diff. from west, in terms of where the school pop. actually resides.

Good Neighborhood News of Improvement in 2nd Ave High Speed Bus Service
NY Daily News
By: Pete Donohue
DAILY NEWS STAFF WRITER
Wednesday, January 19th, 2011, 4:00AM
Select Bus Service on East Side Proves To Be Success After Few Bumps in Beginning
The new select Bus Service has speeded up trips along the East Side by up to about 19%, according to the MTA.
After a bumy start, M15 buses are on average 12 to 16 minutes quicker than the service they replaced on First and Second Aves. between East Harlem and South Ferry in October, the agency said.
“The success of these first [Select Bus] corridors in reducing travel times shows the enormous potential that exists if we can put ideas into play across the city,” NYC Transit President Thomas Prendergast said.
The Metropolitan Transportation Authority and city Department of Transportation officials say the shorter boarding times are due to riders paying at sidewalk vending machines and buses having three doors.
Still, the trips would be even quicker if not for Second Ave. subway construction and utility work. Both cause lane closures and traffic bottlenecks for southbound traffic.
Transit managers said northbound buses traveling from South Ferry to 126th St. take about 62 minutes during the morning rush hour, compared with 75 before Select Bus Service went into effect. Travel time on the southbound buses was trimmed from 88 minutes to 76 minutes in the mornings.
“It’s been pretty good,” said Laura Wierbicki, 30, a social worker from Queens. “If you miss a bus, the next one comes in five minutes.”
Since October, police have ticketed more than 15,200 violators of the bus-only lanes and towed 156 cars, and from late November through mid-December, the DOT issued about 200 tickets based on footage from cameras installed along the avenues.
“Bus lanes are for buses, and these cameras are helping transit riders get the red carpet treatment they deserve.” City Transportation Commissioner Janette Sadik-Khan said.

There are quite a few top private schools in the Bronx ... their students, almost without exception, and including the lower schools, commute from Manhattan. So about all we can say about private school gyms or even classrooms relocating to the fringes of Spanish Harlem is that people are willing to bus their kids to them. That doesn't mean they would for a second consider moving to that part of Spanish Harlem ... nor does it mean that those schools will consider accepting the children of parents from that neighborhood. So it has as much bearing as, say, Verizon being willing to locate an industrial facility there.

And aren't all the ticket machines for Select bus service perpetually broken, so it actually takes longer to get anywhere than if one were to take a regular bus?

you're just a jealous westsider, ah, the select service is marvelous. not that the parents of kids sending their kids to the schools on the UES will be using the service. and even in its new speedy form you'd want to kill yourself relying on it for a journey from 91st street to the financial district. but the little old ladies and the people in wheelchairs who need to get to and from the various east side hospitals, from sloan kettering to bellevue, are very grateful.

This crazy building is getting too much attention (negative or positive) period.

This thread reads like folks at a Nascar race waiting patiently for a spectacular crash while the promoters keep insisting on the safety of the sport.

I'm a rubber-necker so you know where I stand.

Twinkle, I whole heartedly apologie for accusing you of being a new username...mia copa.
As for your assertion that the new PS151 will increase the value of the Azure...I hope you've got a helmet on and asbestos underwear cause that crash is going to be a doosey.

Why are there no listings posted for Azure anymore on SE?

AnaNM,
While you stayed in today and kept warm all the apartments in the building were bought by weary shoppers hell bent on getting their RE shopping done today.(SE needs a sarcasm font)

I think mattonegroupie went all in on the azure. Omfg. Allah help them.

Fwiw, I think mattonegroup has two kids in Fordham law school with $200k in student loans each. So pawn crap he must.

2nd, fwiw how many ppl in Nyc re brokerages have higher education degrees? Omfg, could've saved $200k and 4 yrs, the 2week re course has 0% failure rate.

AH/AR: UES private schools have been building gyms in Yorkville for at least 35 years. Dalton built one in the 1970s very near where Azure is today, then replaced it with the current facility on 87th.

The gyms didn't do much for the neighborhood, but they helped the schools compete, in every sense of the word.

Is the demo for this building professionals who take limos to work or drive? It is far from the subway.

you're hfscomm1.

not alpo.

hfscomm1

plus buyerbuyer.

and midtownereast

and a couple of hundred others.

but, of course, you know that.

hi west81st, yes i know quite a bit about the ues gym expansion.

and there's also been a huge expansion for quite a few ues schools recently. chapin grew upward, spence grew outward, etc.

yes, those schools are competing. i can't tell you how often i hear applicants talking about how "pretty" (or the equivalent) a school is. actually in proper UES i'd like my kid to go there talk, it's "what a wonderful physical plant."

The assessment of the Yorkville community by of several contributors of this blog astounds me. I can only conclude their lack of understanding of this neighborhood is due to either too little time having been spent in the area or preconceived prejudice or the need of some axe to grind. Yorkville has one of the highest disposable income demographic profiles in the county. I lived in Yorkville for over 10 years, from 1981 to 1991. I taught my children to swim at The Asphalt Green on 91st Street. My family and friends have dined at many neighborhood ethnic restaurants. Shopped in its stores and gone to the movies on 86th street. Many years ago I rented my weekend cars from Avis on 91st street. This neighborhood like many in NY has gotten better over time. Less crime and more public and private investment in the neighborhood has resulted in more quality housing along First Ave. with associated economic growth and more employment. The greater Yorkville area has the highest number of high quality private schools per capita in the county. It has the second highest ranked public middle school in NYC ms 114 on 91st street built by the sponsors of Azure as part of the new Educational Construction Fund program. The demographic facts can be found in the US Census over time. I understand that several blog members are not from the neighborhood. Based on their lack of knowledge it is easy for them to conclude this neighborhood is Spanish Harlem and in some way not worthy of a high quality residential investment. I wholeheartedly disagree with their view. Their lack of knowledge tied to continual pessimism and negativism is contrary to the facts about the continuous improvements to this submarket over the last 10, 5 and 2 years. The many errors in their assessments have been very evident to the many members of the public that read this blog but do not participate. This is based on many requests from prospective purchasers and owners at Azure to have the Azure sponsors state the facts and address the theme of continual negativism. I have tried to display the facts since I began participating in this blog and have commented on the following:
1) Developments and improvements in the neighborhood over time,
2) The pubic private amenities in the community including parks, restaurants, community and national retail establishments, educational institutions,
3) The market wide comparative economic benefits of the Azure ground lease and its competitive residential unit pricing,
4) The quality of construction building amenities and panoramic views from Azure.
5) The quality and friendliness and welcoming nature of the evolving community of owners at Azure
6) Financing Available to purchasers from HSBC
I rely on my 30 years of real estate finance, brokerage and real estate development experience. I depend on the cumulative experience of the Mattone and DeMatteis families that have built over 40,000 units and manage 15,000 units in NYC and have an expertise in public private development. I also rely on the US Census data, the independent appraisal data on closed sales and comparative sales of cooperative and condominium sales throughout Manhattan. I have read the updated appraisals. I rely on the comments made during Azure’s purchaser acquisitions and their testimonials after they have purchased. These are the supporting facts for my comments in this blog. Slow sales yes. The caused are many I have previously outlined but I believe with the building complete, buyers having moved in and mortgage financing available, the corner has been turned. Sponsors are prepared to rely on the economic laws of supply and demand over time to conclude this real estate cycle in fine form. Azure is well positioned financially with the full support of purchaser mortgage financing available from HSBC mortgage Corp. Azure will satisfy the growing demand for reasonably priced large, quality residential units in UES and Yorkville. I refer to the NY Times article last week in the real estate section to support this belief. “Purchasers Be Prepared To Pay More for Your Next Home”. I challenge the participants in this blog. What are your credentials, your experience in financing, brokerage, appraisal, ownership, residential management and development? I think the general reading public has an idea already of several of the participants in this blog. I must admit this blog is somewhat entertaining.

you're post is so utterly long that i doubt anyone will read it. i, who have generally a fair amount of patience, didn't get beyond a couple of paragraphs.

you're not doing your building any favors here with your desperate advertising.

actually, sentences. you don't really have paragraphs. if someone in your family has a kid in school maybe they could teach you the common paragraph structure.

btw, my kid goes to school on the UES. although i don't live there.

>although i don't live there.

You realize that isn't a sentence, right?

>actually, sentences.

This wasn't a sentence either.

troll

Excuse me? You called me a tool a couple weeks ago and when I asked you a question you decided you didn't want to answer and said you'd ignore me.

Yet here you are criticizing someone about a building that you don't live in or near, telling that person he or she can't write paragraphs. Yet you can't write a sentence.

troll

Yes indeed you seem to be.

you're clearly too stupid to get my point. simple. declarative. for sentences. more structured for paragraphs. bad english by developer, make some people stupid.

i can't believe i read your stupid comment. no more.

>you're clearly too stupid to get my point. simple. declarative. for sentences. more structured for paragraphs. bad english by developer, make some people stupid.

So that makes you better than mattonegroup?

>i can't believe i read your stupid comment. no more.

I just googled +aboutready
Is that you?

yawn. is that you troll?

I think you are projecting.

So, Huntersburg, to criticize a building (or the shameless shill for a building), you have to live there or close to it? The utter lack of logic in that is stunning. Can only chefs write restaurant reviews? Can only actors do movie reviews? The more you write, the more you discredit yourself. Your goal seems to be to attack individual posters, which is classic troll behavior.

>So, Huntersburg, to criticize a building (or the shameless shill for a building), you have to live there or close to it?

No, but to take it so personally, that seems like classic troll behavior.

>Can only chefs write restaurant reviews?

Usually the reviewer has eaten at the restaurant.

>Can only actors do movie reviews?

Usually the reviewer saw the movie.
The more you write, the more you discredit yourself.

Thanks for making my point. So, as long as you have any experience with real estate in Manhattan, you can comment. Just what I was saying. In other words, the more you write, the more you make other people's points for them!

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Cuntsburg. You Fking troll. Nycmatt. I got my eye on you. You tool of a coop Prezz. Spread your cheeks, it's the 80's again.

Well said, Huntersburg. Very "homogenious" of you.

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mattonegroup, I did a google search on +aboutready and it appears that aboutready is affiliated with another real estate web site. Are you advertising / paying protection money there? My guess is not, and that if you begin you might find a warmer reception here, or at least one less person criticizing your new development.

You know, huntersburg, it's a very shilly thread. I think that's all Falco and Ar are trying to say. And your sniping from the sides seems awfully familiar.
Dear broker from the Mattone Group: you are not doing your building any favor by listing all the wonderful qualities of the Azure, over and over and over again. Either it is true, the building is a great value, and all you need is to reach potential buyers, or it is not, and you are going to alienate this small chattering group. As you have correctly identified, regular commenters are NOT in the market for a new development in Yorkville.

i have no affiliation w about ready

'As you have correctly identified, regular commenters are NOT in the market for a new development in Yorkville'

maly, how untrue. I place Yorkville at the top of my neighborhood of choice. My wife likes the hill.
We will buy in the northern part of the UES, one side or another. We live in 10021 for the past 19 years. Or daughter's school is in the north west portion of the UES and my business is central. This is my hood and I have been an active shopper since 2006. In that period of time I have watched the value of residential RE change dramatically. I study this because I want to make a smart purchase. I am also under no pressure. This year I invested significantly in commercial RE on the UES b/c I felt confident that it was a opportune moment. Residential still has some more room to depress IMHO. The Azure, for me, is not the best long term plan. That does not mean it's not a lovely building (it is). I do think that current pricing does not reflect current market value. If it did or if it reflected extraordinary value the product would be flying off the shelf. I actually have no idea if free cook books sell apartments. My gripping is with, what I perceive as, dubious selling techniques and phony posts. Anyone who has a problem with that can kiss my ass in Macy's window.

As far as ar is concerned...I have rarely read post that are more insightful or knowledge based. People in the business who want to become expert professionals should read everything ar writes AND LEARN.

Huntersburg -- What exactly are you saying? AR (and others) have simply been pointing out what a shill mattonegroup is on this thread and you, with no evidence, whatsoever, make some smarmy accusations about other motives (which, I have to say, make zero sense). It sounds like from another post that you are a lawyer and it seems that you are a piss poor one if that is kind of arguments you make. No excuse for what you did and you are really showing your true colors.

Falco, my mistake, I vaguely thought you had bought already, and didn't realize it was commercial RE.
I think the broker is making a rookie mistake when it comes to Streeteasy and wrongly believes the comment section to be free advertising, when in fact it's an interactive (read: dangerous) forum.

mattonegroup seems pretty transparent in its content as well as the Pro symbol next to its name.

I've read here where people accuse the New York Times of being biased in editorial coverage for the real estate industry in exchange for advertising dollars.

If aboutready is affiliated with another real estate web site (am I correct?), shouldn't there be upfront disclosure? Is the point of view aboutready expresses influenced in any way by Azure not advertising with aboutready's affiliated site?

The lack of upfront disclosure by aboutready seems to be a lesser standard than we hold our traditional media and also to which the brokerage industry is held. Shouldn't we be informed? Shouldn't mattonegroup know what it is dealing with?

After all, some of aboutready's criticism yesterday even got to the personal level of whether mattonegroup could write a well-constructed paragraph to aboutready's satisfaction.

Talking about transparency, what was your previous handle?
I hope you realize you are pretty much on your own and wearing out your new name very fast.

What's that, maly?

Very well put, maly.

Huntersburg -- I haven't been on the board long and even I know about ar's other endeavors, so you are incredibly off base. And your whole supposition about financial motivations is ridiculous. Several people here -- including falco, among others -- have called out mattonegroup for being a shill on a board that is about discussion instead. Are they all doing it for economic reasons? If mattonegroup seeks the advantange of free advertising on SE, then he/she needs to accept everything else that comes from the board. For you to suggest that there are ulterior motives is just ludicrous and it seems that you are making the basest personal attack one can level. And your point about so-called "personal" attacks based on ability to write is almost too stupid to address, except that I must point out that I will continue to make fun you for misspelling homogeneous as "homogenious."

>Several people here -- including falco, among others -- have called out mattonegroup for being a shill on a board that is about discussion instead. Are they all doing it for economic reasons?

Do they have their own real estate sites that receive advertising from developers?

HB: let me put that in small words: the gig is up.

MidtownEast, please correct maly about gig vs. jig.

Too late; you just did, Mr./Ms. Homogenious.

Do you have even a shred of evidence to back up the scurrilous accusation you are making? You should tread carefully.

Which accusations? I asked a question and disclosed some fact in the process, particularly that aboutready is associated with another real estate site that accepts advertising. Shouldn't that fact have been disclosed?

Are you kidding? What do you call this comment from you:

"Are you advertising / paying protection money there? My guess is not, and that if you begin you might find a warmer reception here, or at least one less person criticizing your new development."

You are clearly insinuating that AR's comments are influenced by economic motivations. Now you are trying to wriggle out of it because you have been justifiably called out. Typical crappy lawyer trick. Your credibility -- as maly points out -- is about zero.

Ok what if my credibility is actually zero?

What does my credibility have to do with aboutready's disclosure obligation?

At least mattonegroup or others could be in a position to question the negative feedback that aboutready is providing here. And what is the policy of the other site aboutready is associated with? Why isn't aboutready's site discussing this development? Why does aboutready go to another site to discuss a real estate development?

Why don't you make the full disclosure requested by maly about your previous handles?

So, just moving on from this topic?

>Huntersburg -- I haven't been on the board long

How long have you been on the board?

Not at all, but if you are so keen on disclosure, give it up. Otherwise, stop with the ridiculous rhetorical questions that you are in fact using to make unfounded accusations. Mattonegroup -- whom you seek to protect -- hasn't sunk to your level.

Don't remember; maybe October or November of last year, but I learned to use the search function early on.

Me too.

Now why did you have to say that? The Huntersburg is MidtownerEast claptrap will start up again.

I'm just curious, your first post was on November 1,
http://streeteasy.com/nyc/talk/discussion/23477-november-electionobama-referendum

but you seemed to already have a history with a good number of people:
>"I am not falling for the "who am I" question because I like the anonymity of the board."

even so much as making this judgment:
>"Somewhereelse -- ... Kind of amazing that I had to explain that to you."

If you JUST joined, why would you be in a position to be surprised about somewhereelse?

Huh?

It was obvious when I joined (and should be blindingly evident to anyone considering that most people seem to use pseudonyms, unless your name really is Hunter S. Burg) that the board is anonymous. How would my comment betray some of "history with a good number of people"? What you say makes no sense.

Also, my comment to SWE was based on that person's posts in the thread. I was saying something so matter of fact that I was surprised I would have to explain it to anyone with a modicum of sentience, which SWE does seem to have. I didn't -- and still don't -- know SWE from a hole in the wall, except that we disagree about a lot of things (which is what a discussion board is all about).

You really seem to be on some sort of witch hunt without any evidence. Plus, you are the one whom several people think is masquerading as an alter ego, but I won't go there because I don't know and don't have any proof (which never stops you). As I have said before, if you are a lawyer -- as your earlier post seems to indicate -- you are a poor one indeed.

Well anyway, mattonegroup, the business office at Brickunderground.com may be open today, maybe you want to look into advertising there and see what other services are offered.

folks you really need to hit the de-caf. and move on. or move. or...

In contrast to general market observers, there seems to be an obligation of disclosure by anyone profiting from advertising by developers before posting, positive, negative, or neutral.

Additional points of view: http://streeteasy.com/nyc/talk/discussion/24831

you really are too stupid to get it, no? if the relationship is positive there is a general although not absolute duty to disclose, depending on the relationship. if there is no relationship, there is no duty to disclose.

This absolute duty you speak of, is that based on professional guidelines or just your point of view?

Your relationship is with a web site that accepts advertising from developers. So here we have a developer who isn't advertising with your web site. And so the developer gets an interestingly negative reception from you, without any disclosure by you of your affiliations.

Just tell us this, be honest with us about the site you work with: Are they condoning your actions here or are you on your own?

A bit rich, from the person who has not acknowledged their previous banned handles.

Hunter S. Burg -- Your tirades and attacks have gone beyond tiresome in the realm of malicious. Give the trollish behavior a rest.

Sorry, "into" the realm of malicious. Not exactly sure where that realm is, but I think it starts at 57th Street.

Why did they pull all of their listings down?

aboutready
4 days ago and why were all of your listings removed yesterday?

Seems to happen periodically.

aboutready= a shill for "brickunderground".