CC is a God

CC just bought a house in Alpine for $15 million. Not a good deal since he paid very close to asking even though there is 4 years worth of inventory in Alpine. So is he a loser since he lives in JERSEY?

CC gets a pass on living in Jersey and just about every other possible offense aside from murder, child abuse, elderly or animal abuse. (Murder inclusive of vehicular manslaughter and other lethal bad behavoirs). After all Phil Rizzuto, Yogi Berra and no doubt other current residents of Cooperstown commuted from NJ to the Bronx! (and may Yogi continue to thrive in Jersey for 120 years). At this rate we can start posing CC for his bronze plaque and I for one would like to see a Yankee hat on it.

However, since I agree with 10022 to the point that the statement does not violate the first commandment, mere mortals are NOT EXCUSED from the Jersey stigma...which includes you Alpie

nyc10022, you're not a fan of ... the other team? I mean coming from the County of Kings and all, I'd expect so.

In Harlem, where I live, for many people the proximity of Yankee Stadium doesn't matter; the ghost of the Polo Grounds is closer.

Regarding CC and NJ, I agree with Liz's pass ... but it should still be said that he should have bought in Fieldston instead.

Alan, I believe there are tax disadvantages to living in NYC (which Fieldston is unbelieiveably a part of--hell its the BRONX) especially if you are earning an, albeit humongous, salary versus collecting stock and other alternate compensation like a hedge fund poobah. (I suspect many of those people don't live in NYC for tax purposes either.)

Alas, I suspect if you were to ask 10 residents of Harlem under 50 what "Polo Grounds" means they would say "a housing project". A few years ago, a news team went to the Jackie Robinson houses in Brooklyn and asked kids there (10-12 year olds) who Jackie Robinson was and they didn't have a clue. BTW, CC Sabathia is one of most outspoken leaders in preserving the African American heritage and tradition in MLB and trying to stop the loss of interest in the game among young Black Americans. Another reason to like him.

You people see the 30 Million Dollar Complex Jeter building on the water in Florida ? CC is a cheapskate

AROD is lookin with his flame too

"I suspect if you were to ask 10 residents of Harlem under 50 what "Polo Grounds" means they would say "a housing project"

That would be sad. Any serious baseball fan would surely know though (and I am way under 50, so hope is not lost!).

"CC Sabathia is one of most outspoken leaders in preserving the African American heritage and tradition in MLB and trying to stop the loss of interest in the game among young Black Americans"

Very true - it's a significant concern, and he's an easy guy to like not just because of this of course (and yes, even as a Red Sox fan, I do like a small handful of Yankees who are good, likeable players - there hasn't always been many). I was surprised he signed with them, but it's worked out well so far. You do have to wonder though, how that contract is going to look in a few years - he's a very large man, who's only going to get bigger, and he's logged a ton of innings in the past few seasons.

Unfortuantely, BJW...if you look outside of New York, Boston perhaps St Louis and their immediate environs the number of serious baseball fans (or at least those of us who priortize baseball above other sports) is shrinking. We need charismatic stars of all races and ethnic backgrounds to hopefully rebuild interest.
David Wells had something of an extended career despite his rotound physique and I suspect CC does not have some bad habits, other than an inability to say no to donuts, that may have challenged Boomer.

BJW - CC is a big guy, but is in good physical shape (unlike Boomer). He did not throw a ton of innings in his early 20's and has reached 29 without any significant arm injury...both historically good signs. His mechanics are good (smooth, easily-repeatable delivery, doesn't throw across his body, etc) and big, power guys (Clemens, Nolan Ryan, Randy Johnson, Seaver) tend to maintain their stuff far better and far longer than smaller/hi-torgue guys (think Pedro and his build). He will be 35 in the final year of this deal, so it is not unrealistic to expect him to still be significantly above average at that point in time.

That said...throwing a baseball is a violent action and sometimes things happen.

lizyank, what you need are affordable tickets.

liz, I think there are some good fans in Chicago, Detroit, and a few other cities as well, but point taken. The NFL is completely dominant. I thought the NBA was in good position a few years ago, but I don't think it's close anymore. Of course, as a hockey fan, I envy that much.

Agree on the comparison to Wells (it's the most logical, recent choice anyway, along with maybe Bartolo Colon), but I don't think most people realize that CC is even bigger at a much younger age. In his early days, Boomer was pushing 225, and towards the end of his career ballooned up to 250-260, at 6'4". Sabathia is taller at 6'7", but he's already pushing 300. I don't think there's much precedent for a pitcher that large (anyone think of one?). It's definitely true that shorter, fatter pitchers have more durability (and in some cases, success) than their lither teammates; I'm just saying this is definitely something to keep an eye on.

"CC just bought a house in Alpine for $15 million. Not a good deal since he paid very close to asking even though there is 4 years worth of inventory in Alpine. So is he a loser since he lives in JERSEY?"

No, because he's black. Seriously. All the other Yankees that aren't in Manhattan go to Westchester/CT. Arod bought a house, Torre had one, Mariano is up there. I think he went because its where the other black celebs are (Eddie, Whitney) and he probably felt more comfortable sending his kids to school there.

Second, also, he didn't know... he's from California. Someone probably told him Jersey was cool.

"nyc10022, you're not a fan of ... the other team? I mean coming from the County of Kings and all, I'd expect so."

Understandable... and I got a LOT of crap for not being a mets fan in '86, I heard it all over the place... the Yankee drought (first decade without a championship) was tough.

But my family was always shifting back and forth Manhattan / Brooklyn. My dad could walk to Ebbet's, but he went to school his whole life in Manhattan, and all his friends... and HIS dad... etc.

"In Harlem, where I live, for many people the proximity of Yankee Stadium doesn't matter; the ghost of the Polo Grounds is closer."

Yeah, its funny how the pockets work in the city.

"nyc10022, you're not a fan of ... the other team? I mean coming from the County of Kings and all, I'd expect so."

Understandable... and I got a LOT of crap for not being a mets fan in '86, I heard it all over the place... the Yankee drought (first decade without a championship) was tough.

But my family was always shifting back and forth Manhattan / Brooklyn. My dad could walk to Ebbet's, but he went to school his whole life in Manhattan, and all his friends... and HIS dad... etc.

"In Harlem, where I live, for many people the proximity of Yankee Stadium doesn't matter; the ghost of the Polo Grounds is closer."

Yeah, its funny how the pockets work in the city.

"nyc10022, you're not a fan of ... the other team? I mean coming from the County of Kings and all, I'd expect so."

Understandable... and I got a LOT of crap for not being a mets fan in '86, I heard it all over the place... the Yankee drought (first decade without a championship) was tough.

But my family was always shifting back and forth Manhattan / Brooklyn. My dad could walk to Ebbet's, but he went to school his whole life in Manhattan, and all his friends... and HIS dad... etc.

"In Harlem, where I live, for many people the proximity of Yankee Stadium doesn't matter; the ghost of the Polo Grounds is closer."

Yeah, its funny how the pockets work in the city.

And, bjw, why are you still trying to hump me?

Stop following me around.

I don't know, I got some weird stuff on my leg from you. I'll get it checked out, considering the source. That's a big dirty ZIP code after all.

"if you look outside of New York, Boston perhaps St Louis and their immediate environs the number of serious baseball fans (or at least those of us who priortize baseball above other sports) is shrinking. We need charismatic stars of all races and ethnic backgrounds to hopefully rebuild interest. "

If you take out the fans who only follow winning teams, your number drops considerably. Check out attendance numbers over history in Boston, for instance. Fenway Faithful is a joke that the "new red sox fans" (= people from new england who like what's hot) just aren't in on. And I spent a few months in St. Louis.... it certainly wasn't a priority there before Pujols.

Not that NYC is that different. They forget to mention that noone went to Dodgers games before they left, attendance was horrible even though they had been contenders in that period.

We'll have fewer "serious" baseball fans, period. The good thing is, stadiums are being filled with folks who just like the feel and the aura and winning, nothing wrong with that.

Now, we'll do great with latin folk.

But with blacks, baseball is screwed. WHole reason for the RBI program.

Did you know that the Bethune Cookman (historically black college) couldn't find ANY black players for its baseball team? They pretty much all speak spanish.

I figure without a strong black presence, you're not going to have it be the game of America's urban youth (like basketball) and football seems to have the south covered.

Baseball will be more a pasttime than a #1 sport...

and, on the NYC front, I didn't mean to leave out that Yankees numbers also sank in low periods (despite Joe Pepitone). Of course, fear of dying was a factor....

but its everywhere.

Alan, in my once and (God willing) to be resumed life, I pretty much got tickets whenever I wanted. Don't think I've paid for a ticket (barring a few impulsive pleasant weekend afternoons) since college. I draw the line a luxury boxes (although I would have preferred sitting in one to outdoor seating last Friday/Saturday) for baseball. The snacks and beer might be easier to get and there is no line for the bathroom but they aren't good ballgame seats.

"Understandable... and I got a LOT of crap for not being a mets fan in '86, I heard it all over the place... the Yankee drought (first decade without a championship) was tough."

As a Yankee fan from Boston, you can't get more crap than that. Go Yanks!

"Fenway Faithful is a joke that the "new red sox fans" (= people from new england who like what's hot) just aren't in on. And I spent a few months in St. Louis.... it certainly wasn't a priority there before Pujols."

Completely erroneous on both counts - I have no idea where you imagined this stuff.

"I don't know, I got some weird stuff on my leg from you. I'll get it checked out, considering the source. That's a big dirty ZIP code after all."

I know you don't want to admit you have nothing better to do than keep following me around... but, wow... nice life.

JuiceMan, how does that even happen? The only Yankee fan I know from Mass is from Lenox, which should be annexed to Columbia County anyway. And he was nearly burned at the stake for it.

nyc10022, quick, there's a steveF post in another thread that you need to respond to. NOW! Seriously, you're a big joke, but at least it's entertaining.

> As a Yankee fan from Boston, you can't get more crap than that. Go Yanks!

I agree. Yanks/Mets get a lot of fun fights, but its good natured (even the punching).

Sox fans just get homophobic and classless.... the big seller outside fenway is "brokeback jeter"

Cheeseburger Cheeseburger Sabathia is supposed to win. That's what makes the Yankees so boring.

When you spend nearly double any other team your supposed to win.
It's not yay we won! It's whoa thank god we didn't lose.

St. Louis has it right.

(thats a t-shirt, if you couldn't tell)

Oh, and how can I forget about the spitting. A man in his 60s I know got it on the porch at fenway.
And they spit at arod, too... even though he wasn't the one who turned the deal down.

> Alan, in my once and (God willing) to be resumed life, I pretty much got tickets whenever I wanted

Oh, to be a hot chick.

;-)

Unfortunately, I'm the sucker who pays for the hot (ok, even the mediocre) ones.

"Sox fans just get homophobic and classless"

Yep, there are some bad ones, but are you even pretending that there aren't just as many (and almost surely more given the population) idiots who root for your favorite team? How many bogus things can you say in this thread? The possibilities are endless.

"Cheeseburger Cheeseburger Sabathia is supposed to win. That's what makes the Yankees so boring.
When you spend nearly double any other team your supposed to win.
It's not yay we won! It's whoa thank god we didn't lose."

Of course, the teams that are supposed to win in baseball usually don't. Hell, look at the Yankees for the last few years.

Or, hell, Boston and Mets, the next two mega-spenders.... and, they got their butts reamed.

And, truth be told, I have no problem with a team spending big bucks, because it comes from the fans. Can't sell the tickets or crap to afford CC? Then get more fans...

But it certainly 'aint boring. I've been on both sides, and this rocks.

> St. Louis has it right.

Losing?

bjw, why are you still trying to post and get me to respond? Sorry, I don't want to be your friend, and your statements are worthless.

Find someone else to follow around and try to hump.

"Or, hell, Boston and Mets, the next two mega-spenders.... and, they got their butts reamed."

Technically wrong, and the disparity is incredible.
Top 10 MLB payrolls:

1. NY Yankees 208,097,414
2. NY Mets 145,367,987
3. Chicago Cubs 134,058,500
4. Boston 122,435,399
5. Detroit 119,160,145
6. LA Angels 118,964,000
7. Seattle 112,053,666
8. Philadelphia 111,209,046
9. Houston 102,996,414
10. Chicago Sox 100,598,500

10022, I wish it was due to my being a hot chick and once upon a time that may have been a small contributing factor (Jimmy Key pitching tonight?) But alas my ability to get tickets was almost totally due to professional factors.

nyc, I don't care if you respond or not - I do get a kick out of your very poor information though. And please stop sniffing my shorts and calling it harassment on my part - now I know how the Duke lax team feels.

Ah. I don't have a big boss man to milk (I am the big boss man). And I don't do client/vendor-facing stuff to much anymore, so I don't get those freebies usually. My subordinated get 'em all the time, from vendors, or we'll treat.

My tix, I'm paying for myself. Granted, I'm making big bucks this postseason selling some.

And for the record, I wore a Yankee hat in Fenway Park and was treated to bubble gum on my chair and an "accidential" beer shower...not to mention several remarks about my parentage (which my father--a very loyal Brooklyn Dodger/Met fan who treated my Yankee devotion as he would had I converted religions who have found particularly disheartening). Just about the only team I would root for the Red Sox against is Al Queda.

whine, whine, whine, bjw...

Follow me around all you want, I'm not going to be your friend.

Sorry.

"And for the record, I wore a Yankee hat in Fenway Park and was treated to bubble gum on my chair and an "accidential" beer shower...not to mention several remarks about my parentage (which my father--a very loyal Brooklyn Dodger/Met fan who treated my Yankee devotion as he would had I converted religions who have found particularly disheartening). Just about the only team I would root for the Red Sox against is Al Queda."

Agreed. I've been to about half the stadiums out there, and the Red Sox fans are definitely at the low end of the spectrum. T-shirts, people screaming things that make me cringe. I grew up going to the Bronx in the 70s (usually daytime though) and Boston still has it beat. Which is extra ironic given how lilly-white it is!

Yankees and Mets fans will put up a good fight, and make fun of a guy in an opposing hat (which I actually think there is less of now, Yank fans have to step it up), but there are certain lines of civility that Boston seems to have erased.

nyc10022,

bjw2103, keeps trying to hump and get you to respond to him LMBBAOROTFL.

& trying to be your friend. LOL.

"I'm not going to be your friend."

Oh, shucks, you big curmudgeon, you. I was really looking forward to holidays at your place, where we'd gather around the fireplace and you'd read some Crain's clippings and regale us with how you nailed that steveF real good on an anonymous internet message board that one time. But truly, I think the lady doth protest too much - you would have hit the "ignore this person" link by now, so it's clear you'll keep on sniffing.

bjw2103,

Stop trolling and stay classy.

"And for the record, I wore a Yankee hat in Fenway Park and was treated to bubble gum on my chair and an "accidential" beer shower...not to mention several remarks about my parentage"

liz, I'm truly sorry for that. That kind of behavior drives me nuts, and people should be thrown out for it. But I got the same impromptu beer shower for even (quietly) mentioning I was from Boston at Yankee Stadium, and my friend (who's actually a Yankees fan), got "accidentally" smacked on the head a few times for being guilty by association. Let's not pretend that this is exclusive to one fan base.

bjw2103,

"Let's not pretend that this is exclusive to one fan base."

No you rhodes scholar its that person individual story.

mutombo, I highly recommend this: http://www.succeedtoread.com/learntoread.html

Fenway and Yankee stadium can be a little rough, but it's nothing compared to watching sports in Philly. Complete f*cking animals

Don't be a jerk about it.

>Oh, shucks, you big curmudgeon, you.

What a dork.