The number of food stamp recipients has climbed...

sjtmd (is that the acronym for some jaw disorder?), how much overlap is there betw/ say Caledonia purchasers and food stamp recipients?

"how much overlap is there betw/ say Caledonia purchasers and food stamp recipients?"

They're right next to each other.

Our life's calling? Are you suggesting we should all instead become farmers? Your question is a non sequitur.

What about you? What exactly have you done for these distressed people? How much money have you sent to the Neediest Cases Fund? How many new jobs have you created by investing in these communities? How much time have you volunteered to food and housing programs? (I've volunteered many thousands of hours.)

What I also do is I own residential real estate that is managed with intelligence and compassion. My most recent purchase was pre-foreclosure, the seller was incredibly grateful that I stepped in and purchased at a fair price.

I also help distressed owners sell their apartments for the best possible price. They are grateful for the service, because they could not do it without me or someone else in my line of work.

{Manhattan real estate agent.}

I am very sympathetic towards hungry children - whatever the failings of the parents, children should not go hungry. However, the NYT article (and Herbert's column) made me feel extremely unsympathetic towards the parents - doesn't anyone teach budgeting anymore or don't families talk about their budgets? It was beaten (I'm not joking) into me as a child that one does not procreate irresponsibly. Yes, people lose their jobs but what on earth are you doing having 5 kids or more than 1 kid if you need things to go 100% right to feed them.

I'm still pro-food-stamps and pro-free-school bkfasts and lunches (though the waste would make one cry).

"Yes, people lose their jobs but what on earth are you doing having 5 kids or more than 1 kid if you need things to go 100% right to feed them."

You're absolutely right.

Let's bring back the forced sterilizations.

We'll start with the people who've been unemployed for more than a year and are facing foreclosure.

At least we got food stamps. Beats eating tree bark. This headline screams!! 'our social safety net is working!!!!!'

YES, we SHOULD all become farmers! Hubby and i like the idea more and more each passing day.

but i'm with 10023, harsh feelings towards hungry children is just cruel and heartless, but towards their parents...that's another story (depending on the story...)

and Matt - joke about forced sterilization if you must. i've said this before, procreation should NOT be an equal right for all human beings.

Fluter's comment, let me translate from borker to english. ' I did what was in my best interest'. Flmao.

Flmao. Some of us do not bring attention to 'our charitu' work as it would dilute the purity of the act. Flmao.

Seriously made a new acquainance that started off by saying 'i do charity work for orphans' my question was can you handle a ficking line?

The other nimrod was a douche of a dude whose introduction was I am 'md, mph from harvard, mba'. My immediate question was where'd you get your MBA and 'md? Yep, nothing to write home about, but gotta put I. Mph from harvard. Not that impressive.

You guys are quick to blame adults who get food stamps, but in fact it's children who choose to use food stamps the most -- one in four American children decide to take cash-equivalent food handouts rather than get jobs in coal mines, as bootblacks, newsboys or chimney sweeps. And don't forget, today's children are tomorrow's adults, so soon all Americans will be on food stamps and none will choose to work.

Toddlers today need to pull themselves up by their bootstraps.

Where's Riversider to set them straight?

Alanhart, I think Swift already addressed this issue: the Irish have too many children; the Irish suffer from hunger: the Irish should eat their children. No-one can improve on his simple solution. Can Riversider outflank Swift?

Maly: Swift was living in an era w/o reliable birth control.

Don't go knocking on abstinence, you are going to make Sarah cry.

I harken back to several months ago when I saw an able-bodied, actually slightly overweight, hispanic woman buying shrimp with her food stamps. I'm so glad she doesn't have to eat dog-food to stay alive. What a scam!

Handouts must be temporary - 1,000,000 kids who should have graduated from high school last year didn't - it's a shocking number. If you don't graduate from high school your life should suck.
We should limit living in public housing to 10 years of adult life and no more than 5 years at one time. Same limits on food stamps. We should eliminate any penalties for married people - public policies that encourage people to be single are short-sighted. Our current welfare system is ruining more lives than it's helping. (FYI: carve-outs for the disabled but not the elderly - we can't afford to house and feed all of the elderly - they should take care of themselves or their families, churches, and/or charities should do it)

frightening stats, really not a surprise - but do concur 100 and uws - who has 5 kids before the age of 29??

poor, uneducated people.

And to think we're the top of the socioeconomic food chain. After the Marcos regime ended in the philippines, there were 40 million people. Now they are north of 90 million. Thanks Roman Catholic church.

The Chinese limit their children but the Muslims don't so Roman Catholics help to balance things out globally.

Hear hear! Let's treat our high schools like prisons, and worry only about whether their inmates finish their sentences there. Big bonuses to the jailers who keep them locked up until graduation!

And let's burn the welfare system in effigy for ruining more lives than it helps ... the very phrase makes me burn with hatred for those leeches, living on 65% of the poverty level ... of OUR money!!!

burn them all, at the stake. or just let them starve, or eat themselves. that's so 21st century.

would love to see the birth rates now among the poor, real time. have to wait for the census i think. wonder what will happen to perceptions if most poor people don't have five kids. probably nothing, because people will still focus on those that do. and you do all realize we're just about at zero population growth? you do know what that implies? it might very well f'ng behoove us to educate our youth, not just throw them into pits that offer zero opportunity. oh, wait, they should be grateful for such public education pits that only provide negative opportunity, because it's FREE. not. the costs are horrendous.

we've been warehousing our less successful youth for years in the prison system. well, we just ran out of money for that so maybe it might be a good idea to consider why we felt it was ok to spend however many thousands yearly on incarcerating vast numbers of people but not spending the far smaller amount of money that would have been necessary (on top of monies already spent) to educate them properly.

rant rant rant
rant all you want toilet lady
always someone else's fault

damn, it seems as though you and ph41 share the exact same time frame. more than one computer lined up for action?

Another day, another person I'm thought to be.

didn't even read the comment, just noted the posting pattern. as i have been recently. when you have two or more people on ignore sometimes the patterns become more obvious.

Granularity of family size is important too. The overall birth rate may be lower, but the family size can be larger (as in, you're not as likely to have any children, but if you do, the family size is larger).

Yes, public schools can suck in the inner city, but it's not fair to blame just the educators or the system. Intervention needs to start really early well, before kindergarten. Might be worthwhile to have free daycare for all, just for this reason. It's a multi-faceted problem. As always, the chain needs to be broken somewhere. Even on the relatively prosperous Upper West Side (compared to East New York or Bushwick), there is a significant proportion of children who start way "behind" at K compared to their peers who've either had some pre-K exposure or more formal socialization. It is a challenge to teach/corral kids who start so much behind.

So I'm on ignore but you still see my posts and reply to them?

10023, i agree with you 100%, it actually needs to start with prenatal care. one of THE most cost effective ways of giving kids a head start. i think that every dollar spent for additional prenatal care in at risk communities pays back something like $1.80 in later medical costs that would have been publically funded. those are old numbers i'm using, but i think the current numbers are similar.

and then, yes. beyond that i agree with you entirely. except the family size issue. and we will just have to see with the next census.

Interesting, while you are studying the posting people you've selected to put on ignore, I was looking up how frequently the spelling of the word publically is used vs. publicly. You are in the 4% minority. Interesting.

Let me look up irregardless now.

ignoring hfscomm1.

It starts before prenatal care. Gynecological care for sexually active girls & women - free, widely available dissemination of sex education, birth control w/o parental permission (yes, yes, I know).

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so back to being bored and no longer amused?

well, yes, you're absolutely correct. and yes ABSOLUTELY w/o parental permission. at my daughter's private school they started fairly explicit sex ed in sixth grade, and they're moving on to much more serious discussions in seventh. and these are not kids usually expected to be at risk. maybe that's why.

i started the gardisil treatment for my daughter this year, to continue next year, which is a bit late for the city, but since they don't know for how long it is effective i wanted to wait as long as possible so that it might cover more of the more active years.

the doctor, who also has practices in a couple of less affluent neighborhoods, asked us both (two years ago, daughter 10) point blank if sexual activity would be a possibility. We both said no, and he said i didn't think so but it very much is in many parts of the city.

Are there no boundaries to your personal details on streeteasy?

I don't know how the "without" parental permission part is ever going to happen in most of the U.S. Very different attitudes towards sex ed and public health ed than the rest of the Western world.

You have to assume (based on statistics) that unprotected and unsafe sex acts will happen right at the point or before puberty (earlier these days based on polluted food supply or fatter kids, take your pick).

still not reading you hfs. are you ph41? or newman?

I'm not concerned if you are or are not reading me. I'm reading you. Although reading the prior post was a bit too much information. We (or at least I) really don't need to know about your 12 year old daughter's sexual experiences from 2 years ago.

10023, that's one of those things that could potentially happen. not easily, but with less pain than other advances. maybe, or maybe not. sad.

calmed down from ranting, now just plain sad

It doesn't matter if you are reading. You are still reacting.

ph41, is that you?

When is your angry brother columbiacounty going to show up to defend you?

ph41, is that you?

Thanks for continuing to play with me.

ph41, is that you?

Your turn again.

I don't think they are the same person.

i do.

AR what the hell you talking about? Just saw this thread, and absolutely abhor what hfscomm1 does on SE.

i've been too busy posting on the UWS thread

Actually nyc10023, I'm neutral on whoever someone might accuse me of being. ph41 is only the latest.

aboutready thinks that only one person online dislikes her.

As in 200 West 71st alcove studio and that 5B brownstone number

ph41, apparently aboutready abhors you too, enough to ignore you. I haven't studied you enough to see why though. Anyway, did you hear about how she broke her toilet seat and then blamed the landlord?

time frames should overlap - I (being small minded and real estate oriented) look at these "bigger picture" threads last, if at all,.

Thanks, nyc10023 - may not like your pre-war bias (some post-wars are actuallyl better.

Hope you are well, and that you will soon have your new one.

I especially don't like when hfs hijacks me for his (her?) offensives

hey columbiacounty, lets hang out. I can chase aboutready and taunt her about her toilet seat. You can chase a few of the other posters and accuse them of having a flat screen tv coming out of their butts. Remember when you did that for weeks on end?

Remember threads like this one: http://www.streeteasy.com/nyc/talk/discussion/12009-lic-total-joke
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actually, its the 52 inch flat screen shove it up your ass award---which you have just won. congratulations.

of course, you piece of shit...i wrote it....when will you finish your term paper? and will you get credit for it? you are pathetic.

I like chatting with you better than aboutready. She pretends not to read what I write but you enjoy what I write. Because we are so alike, cool isn't it?

Thanks you too.

Did you want to watch?

I heard a rumor that Columbia medical students in the psychiatry speciality are monitoring some of these threads. Case Studies..

How did you know? You couldn't have called the number that quickly.

hey jim: this object is a major head case.

hey, cc, we're going to be upstate not next weekend but most of the following weekends. have a nice power saw to go cut down some christmas trees?

your wife is indeed a babe. total awesome wench.

I grew up with a disabled sister who still requires a tremendous amount of help at age 41 so maybe I have a different perspective than many of the posters here. I've seen many of her acquaintances run into amazing amounts of difficulty when their parents die. I also worked for several government agencies and through my jobs met several people from impoverished backgrounds who by strength of their characters managed to make a decent life for themselves. But I don't think that applies to everyone and I don't understand what we accomplish as a society by not feeding adults and children who are hungry. I've never been hungry a day in my life and I would imagine that it's a pretty terrible way to live. I don't want to pay 50% of our take home pay in taxes and I understand how unfair that is. But I believe that many people are actually doing their best, certainly not everyone but the odds against someone climbing themselves out of poverty iproably isn't that high with the public education in NYC. And before anyone asks me, no I don't have children.

my husband thinks that SE posters are crazies- i have tried to tell him that that is not the case - however,m if he saw this last thread - would be hard to convince him

got a great saw....always scares the hell out of me to try and cut down a tree bigger than 8 feet. lets chat.

you exceeded the maximum allowed number of curses in one sentence.

When does aboutready come back and you go away? She doesn't curse as much at me. Lately.

ph41, you showed him your prior contributions?

Nice nice to say to your sister.

i remember each and every word of your prior contributions, ph41. and i have been alerted to something else.

Oh, by the way, I take it that ph41 is now off abouready's ignore.

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i remember each and every word of your prior contributions, ph41

worth reposting in case anyone says I'm the only one that remembers another poster's every word

give me a call columbiacounty, we can do phone

only one curse?

AR showed him some of yours , but I have left those in the past, and had hoped that you had also.

Have no idea what you have been "alerted to". I think you are just really somewhat oversensitive at this point

I have not, since our "rapprochement" posted anything even vaguely "negative" to you or about you, though why I am "defending" myself to you is totally absurd. You are seeing ghosts in the shadows.

ph41, riversider, is that you?

I guess I should have posted earlier. What happened to the regular discussion?

Gotta love that Andy Rooney

seriouely AR, give it up - my only name on SE is PH41 - I couldn't post like riversider if I tried, and if you can't see the difference you are more obtuse than I would have thought )(style, content , do aI ever just do economic blog/rantings?

And sort of funny, from someone from the Pacific Northwest (is that accurateZ?) you hold a grudge more than a born and bred NY Jewish woman. Yes, you are now a true New Yorker.

stop...stop....stop...

way too much. revolting.

just stop.

cc, I agree. It got to be too much for me when AR told us about the personal sexual health questions her doctor asked her then 10 year old daughter (also your niece).

Call me

call me, lets do it together

oh crap, its the auto reply on again

ugh, these bots are so frustrating

I keep hitting O and it still doesn't work

AR, help, your bro is in trouble, he's been taken over by the automated response system

Thanks

Yeah, its serious. The "thanks" didn't create nausea.

Now I feel bad, I destroyed a once-proud man into this.

AR, help, we need to create a new entitlement program for CC that is paid for by everyone but you.

sad

sadder