How can one get the same deal as a "vulture" fund?
Started by nyc10023
almost 16 years ago
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I'm reminded of the last RE trough in the late 80s/early 90s. My old building had a large # of units unsold by sponsor during conversion, sponsor went bkrupt, gave units back to lender. Instead of just getting best and highest on the apts, sold them in a block to a "vulture" fund when they could have done better on the open market. That fund made 50% in a few years (and also rented out units in the meantime, so carrying costs minimized). I know W67 & 30yrs have alluded to this, but how does someone at the retail level get the same deal if they can pay all cash?
I'd think that's possible if you have the money to make an offer to buy the whole building, cash or leveraged investment should make no difference to the seller.
nyc10023 - knew someone who did this at about the time you're speaking of (actually the infamous Dolly Lenz was flogging this type of deal- she was also doing it at the Future on 3rd avenue.
The only problem with buying in bulk in a small building is if you wind up with enough units so that you actually step into the sponsor's shoes. That is what happened to the people I knew who did this - they wound up making out alright, but there were many headaches in the process.
Probably not the same thing in a larger building . I would think there are brokers in the city who do this sort of thing for sponsors, just have no idea who's doing it now.
NYC10023 - and the people who did this were not a "vulture fund", just some people who had money to invest. I would think it can be done at the "retail" level, but the sticking point might be how many of the sponsor's unsold units you could buy vs. how many the sponsor needs to sell.
Smell, act, talk and drop poop whereever you go like a vulture. Feast on the overleveraged.
Meat's back on the table - lord of the rings.