HUNTER College High School - Opinions

Katie, sweet Katie. You're funny. When I google katie_eh the first thing that comes up is www.Vampire Freaks.com Katie, are you a vampire? Is that why you avoid stereotyping vampires and just focus on the Chinese? You really are a moron.

No one on this thread said anything on here warranting your nasty discourse on families not valuing education or your overall shrillness. Your passive aggressiveness is annoying. And posting some stranger's name and whatever else on here is unwarranted. I've got a "penchant for invective"? (well, someone found "thesaurus" on the tool bar, huh?!)? I'll let my participation on here over the years stand. On the other hand, I'm not sure what you offer. If the diatribe above is an example, not much. I'm not given to this type of back and forth with streeteasy people other than stevejhx when he gets me going on something, but we go way back and at least he is something of a legendary streeteasy bad boy and so is more entertaining. I'll not continue doing this here so if you like you are welcome to have the last word. But let me just ask you: sometimes at night when it is dark and quiet, do you ever find yourself asking if there is anything to that feeling you sometimes get that people who you think are your friends--or even family or your spouse--really, in their hearts can't stand you?

Katie_eh, it takes a special kind of person to set kyle off (I'm much less discerning, for example). You might want to reconsider your approach.

kyle, sounds like you've gotten plenty of good advice here (well, except for the occasional Stuyvesant shill), but you can add one vote yea for Hunter.

Hi, Kyle. A very dear family friend started at Hunter as a 7th grader this school year, and she is having a great experience. The huge benefit to her has been the student body -- she is finding other kids like her and it's like she's landed on her home planet finally. I didn't grow up here so I don't know if she is typical, but she is a very sweet, funny, earnest and interesting girl who can talk your ear off about Afghanistan and the ethics of international adoption and the evils of the Big Food industry as well as Lady GaGa's latest outfit and she seems to have found a cadre of really good friends. Good luck to your relative.

I am sure any connection between Kylewest and a lawyer admitted in 2007 is pure coincidence. If you have have read Kyle's numerous (and generally very informative, insightful and valuable) posts you would know (as much as anyone can be sure on an anonymous board) that by 2007 Kyle was already a established in his career, a homeowner and committed to his partner. I started following this board in 2007 and Kyle was already a respected contributor and hardly sounded like someone just out of law school.

We know about Kyle what he chooses to share, outing is, as AR said, not acceptable.

I have to say this has turned into one of the silliest threads in the history of SE that didn't involve hfshit or rufus. Kyle asked a question about Hunter HS. Hunter is an awesome school as many people have testified here. So is Stuyvesant. Trying to argue which is better is like arguing a Lamborghini versus a Maserati, people can have their opinions but frankly anyone would be delighted with either. And by the way, getting into an Ivy may be important for the connections you make but there are many, many smart and highly successful people who graduated from state universities, or even CUNY.

of course... and there are putzes who graduate ivies as well.

Question is how that same person would do if swapped into the other scenario.

And before anyone jumps down my throat, I'll note that I think some would do better going ivy, and some would do better going the other route.

Although I don't have kids, my friends' kids have attended the schools being discussed here. They all got a good education.

The best you can hope for your kids is that they don't go out to L.A., and get stopped on the street by Jay Leno; to answer one of his "Jay Walking" questions -- and then give him one of those dummy answers.

I hope Leno keeps that segment going on, in his new/old show. It was hilarious.

Counted number of Stuyvesant's class of 2010: 563
13- harvard (2.31%)
6- princeton (1.06%)
8- yale (1.42%)
23- columbia (4.09%)
2- stanford (0.36%)
5- upenn (0.89%)
0- california institute of technology (0.00%)
8- massachusetts institute of technology (1.42%)
Total: 65 students (11.55%)

Estimated amount of students in Hunter College High School's class of 2010: 180
2- harvard (1.10%)
3- princeton (1.67%)
7- yale (3.88%)
8- columbia (4.44%)
5- stanford (2.78%)
8- upenn (4.44%)
1- california institute of technology (0.56%)
2- massachusetts institute of technology (1.10%)
Total: 36 students (20%)

I would also like to contend somewhereelse's earlier points. I am currently an undergrad in Hunter College High School and at no point did I or will I ever feel inferior to the students of Stuyvesant. In fact, I feel that I am better off that they are because of the wonderful education that Hunter has provided me with. Hunter has the balanced mix of students from all backgrounds as in a public school, while maintaining a tight-knit community found only in small private schools. With help from our interesting and able faculty, our fledgling students mature into intellectual adults who then go on to lead America. Of course, that is not to say that students of other schools are not able. We are all students of the same cognitive abilities to learn and improve; Hunter simply amplifies them more than any other school can, as the data implies.

Sources: http://colleges.usnews.rankingsandreviews.com/best-colleges/national-universities-rankings, http://www.schoolwiki.jesseweiman.com/Colleges_of_the_class_of_2010#Massachusetts_Institute_of_Technology, and the Hunter Naviance College Admissions records.

does hunter still have that prison-like building without good air circulation?

huh? we have air circulation; just like every other school does. if you want to see how hunter looks like, go on google earth and type in the address.

woops

it may be a "brick prison"--but the data dont lie

congrats to grads of both schools and to you @noctem for getting into hunter

wonderful place---have at it!!

"We are all students of the same cognitive abilities to learn and improve; Hunter simply amplifies them more than any other school can, as the data implies. "

Actually, if the claims that the student body entering being better not very good... amplification analysis requires a measure of input and output... perhaps if you had gone to Stuy....

That being said, Stuy being 3x the size, and having over 5x the Harvard students... you're not really helping your case.

"at no point did I or will I ever feel inferior to the students of Stuyvesant. In fact, I feel that I am better off that they are because of the wonderful education that Hunter has provided me with."

she doth protest too much...

Hunter is the best FREE 7th and 8th grade education you will find in New York City.

If you want your kids to learn uppper class values, then a school like Trinity or Dalton would be a better choice.

come on elsewhere, you profess to be a data guy

youre smart enough to know it aint only bout harvard--in fact it's a bit about your alma mater, Yale, and alls the rest of ems

it's ok that you went to stuy, take it easy

norectum, GO YOU!

very few chicks wants to date "hunter" boys, plenty dig stuy/bs sc..... IMHO. Seriously, plenty of ppl turn into NYC RE brokers going to hunter, stuy, harvard.... let's see where you end up. You just got a head bc your parents "knew" the system... plenty of stuy/sc kids do IT ALL ON THEIR OWN. Both parents fresh off boat kinda ppl, knew one kid living on streets but going to stuy... bet on a "in" vs. out, 1000% more "learned" than a hunter peeon. IMHO.... now pls tell me where YOU go to school.

"youre smart enough to know it aint only bout harvard--in fact it's a bit about your alma mater, Yale, and alls the rest of ems"

wbottom, you went down a level, but you're not there yet... the kids who got into yale went to Harvard.
Also, don't forget Amherst, etc.

Hunter is not even close in totals.

And if you want to play %s, hunter gets trounced by the St. Ann's of these worlds.

I like that Stuy was more competitive... more slots for Harvard and such, but you have to work for 'em. Competition is a good thing.

oh no elewhere...this was never about st anns or any of the privates...it was about your claim that stuy had better college placement than hunter

and please, of course it's about percentages--class size at stuy is more than three times that of hunter--a self-professed data guy stuy yale alum is too smart to say it's about totals

like i said elsewhere it's ok---you got into yale...right?

you could be the yale borker,,,just kidding

actually w67thstreet i'm a second generation asian with immigrant parents who dont speak english. i think that i am just as self-educated as everyone else in your school can be. i got into hunter because i got an invitation from hunter through my elementary school to take the hunter test and i read over it and told my parents that i wanted to try it out. i have no idea how old you are, but guessing from your super defensive stance on stuy, you are at least in your freshman year of high school. let's be mature here with the name calling. you're not a kid. and school attractiveness is immeasurable. it is a factor that can change every year with the influx of new students.

and somewhereelse,
"Actually, if the claims that the student body entering being better not very good... amplification analysis requires a measure of input and output... perhaps if you had gone to Stuy...."
this is not a sentence. if we're going to have a mature debate on education quality in schools, you should try to make sense.
"That being said, Stuy being 3x the size, and having over 5x the Harvard students..."
this is also not a sentence, but i'd rather talk about why the theory behind this is wrong rather than the grammar. success is not encompassed by a harvard diploma. success is also not reserved for stuy or hunter or bronx kids. yes, stuy might get more kids into harvard, but hunter gets more kids into yale. which school is better? i have no idea. you probably dont either and therefore should not make such sweeping suggestions based on your extremely limited knowledge of education quality. just stick to opinions as i do. there is no way that the data i compiled can do anything but show the number of future ivy leaguers graduating in hunter and stuy's class of 2010. it's stupid to try and draw theories from this one instance i provided.

ALSO... somewhereelse (you really are a pretentious snot)
"the kids who got into yale went to Harvard."
really? i was the one who compiled ALL of the data for the class of 2010 and nowhere online did i see anything about ACCEPTANCE numbers. i only saw who was going where and so i compiled the school ATTENDANCE data. there is no way that you would know anything like that unless of course, you would like to provide statistics and sources.

"Hunter is not even close in totals"
yea, my point was that hunter doesn't beat stuy in totals because of the relatively small class number. instead, we beat stuy in percent totals.

ugh! you are by far the most pompous and arrogant kid i have met. stuy might be a nice school and all, but if THAT's the type of people they send forth into the world, i wouldn't want my kids to attend it, as would any sane parent.

I suppose if the measure of a h.s.'s quality is where the students go to college (a reasonable way to look at it, IMO), the colleges representing the peak of success that were selected below will offer a rather narrow window of insight for this discussion. Of course Ivy schools get included. But to exclude the smaller liberal arts colleges that are recognized as equally outstanding institutions is to ignore all those students who simply had different preferences (i.e., smaller institutions, different environments, particular programs offered.) I think a more full picture is given if one were to include "little Ivies" like Williams and Amherst which, along with Swarthmore have ranked as the top three such colleges in the US for decades, as well as say Middlebury, Wellesley, Carleton, and a handful of others.

What I think you want to look at is how many students are getting into the top schools in America--not just the Ivies+MIT+CIT (why those last two get included to the exclusion of others, I'm very puzzled about).

I'm just sayin'...

what youre sayin is totally legit, kyle--the schools you mention and many others are highly credible

one issue tho, is that the swarthmore's amherst's pomona's and williams' of the world have way less scholarship money than do the ivies and large univs

many of the very bright kids from HCHS stuy, bronx and the other strong ny hs's need scholarship money and, so, follow the benjamins to the bigger schools

also big numbers of kids at these schools, who are very bright, but not sufficiently so to qualify for scholarships anywhere (oft complicated by the discrimination effect on them based on their being asian, or eastern european) end up attending suny (binghampton) and cuny (queens, ccny math)--they are counseled to save their precious money for grad school, as grad school is clearly be in their trajectory, and these schools are sufficient platforms for strong grad school applications

so when comparing college placement for HCHS stuy bronx etc with the best private schools, the privates have a statistical advantage based on wherewithal and also ethnic composition---asians have been refered to as "the new jews"--a reference to siimilar discrimination experienced by jews as they applied to colleges in the mid to late 20th century

the big msg is thank god that hchs and the specialized HS's exist in NY--gives ambitious motivated less well-off NY kids a shot at high quality education--some feel that the funding for these schools should be put into the system to benefit all ny kids--or that the access to these schools should not be meritocratic test-based--i am not one who feels this way--the funds behinfd these schools would just bleed into the black hole of of the ny school system---and test based meritocratic access can be cheaply admninistered, and is a race blind way to reward those who are ambitious and motivated

the stuy is better than hchs stuff is tiresome

props to noctem--have at the world!

it's true. forbes just issued its list of best priced schools (taking into account financial aid). princeton i think was #1. i noticed the figures for Yale. while full tuition, room and board is $50,800 the average paid is half that, and the average paid by those receiving financial aid is between $10-11k. i think the average student loan balance at the end of four years was around $10k as well, but don't quote me on that one.

Rectum. Good on you. Neither my parents still speak english. Now remember as soon as you get out of HS, no one gives a crap about Exeter, Bx sc or hunter, soon as you get out of ivy college, no one gives a crap about harvard, columbia or Yale, cause they'll be asking you 'flipping burgers after hunter / harvard?'. Then if you get a job at Goldman, they ll be a partner who'll ask you to get his dry cleaning. Then you better marry a hottie with the same background as you. Then you better be liked and successful. And after all that you'd better get both your kids into some top notch day care center that'll get them into....... Even then you'll find someone who has done more than you without parents, with a hotter wife, better looking and a bigger schlong.

So don't sit on your hunter laurels and get me my dry cleaning. :)

noctem---

this is six seven's way of tipping us off that he is a goldman partner, and of advising you that youd best keep working your ass off--yours will be a very difficult world

i hope

I hate to break all the academic glory being displayed here but here's a little tidbit for ya:

The A and B students work for the C and D students. Simple, the As and Bs get their nice jobs with great companies and they work themselves up the ladder to VP at 55 years old making 250k. Meanwhile the D student can't get that corporate job(so many As applying) so what is he FORCED to do. Open a business and eventually hire the As.

I luv stuff like this. Throws everything accepted out the window and I have an MBA :)

wrong--the more degreed, and the better-reputed the schools, the more money made on avg

and im an outlier, believe me

mba?? NAY!

I disagree, look back on your old grade/high school friends. I'll bet it's the underachievers who are making the big bucks now.

My old grammar school friends ended up crack whores in 80's and 4 or 5 went to jail. I dunno Stevef. R you making sure your little one gets Fs so that by chance he'll hire my A student daughter? Wow! I'd like a word with your wife.

Norectum. Btw if you are one of the top 30 students to test. An official comes up to you and let's you know. Please tell me you've had that meeting.

w67thstreet, if you are a grown adult who went to school in the 80's, you wouldn't know anything about schools today.
you're just an ignorant, immature person who lives solely to piss people off.
wowww a 40 year old just made fun of my username. he is sooo clever. go find something to do other than bash a school that has no meaning to people like you. honestly what would someone as old as you receive from winning this argument? what kind of psychological satisfaction would you receive from fighting a kid like me?
you need a life and a second high school education. your sentences are probably worse than somewhereelse's. i cannot follow any line of logic in this: "Neither my parents still speak english. Now remember as soon as you get out of HS, no one gives a crap about Exeter, Bx sc or hunter, soon as you get out of ivy college, no one gives a crap about harvard, columbia or Yale, cause they'll be asking you 'flipping burgers after hunter / harvard?'. Then if you get a job at Goldman, they ll be a partner who'll ask you to get his dry cleaning. Then you better marry a hottie with the same background as you."
okay so what if your parents dont speak english? i def didnt need to know that. and how does not having english-speaking parents lead to the conclusion that a good school doesn't lead to success? though i can't disprove your argument due to a lack of data and resources, i can honestly say that you're going to have to give some statistics backing up your "theory".

and... why does graduating from an ivy league always lead to a job at Goldman Sachs...? How would the science majors manage to maneuver themselves in a business field? that would mean that you can only be a business/economics major in order to succeed, which is not true.

the things that everyone before me said are all completely speculation. we shouldn't be discussing this. we can't even define success. is success determined by society or by the individual himself? or is success based on monetary or happiness levels? what if your local deli-man is the happiest man in the world, living on a $30,000 salary? would that make him both successful AND unsuccessful? or what if criminals are the most successful because they live on no moral standards and yet are able to eke out a living?
seeing how some of you are making such blanket statements frustrates me so much because you aren't qualified at all to make any of them. less hating on hunter; just give me more solid proof please!

> and please, of course it's about percentages

Only saying that because hunter loses at totals! Hunter isn't tops on totals OR percentages, it gets trounced. Stuy wins on numbers, Hunter nothing.

> class size at stuy is more than three times that of hunter--a self-professed data guy stuy yale alum is too smart
> to say it's about totals

You can make the case on both, but Hunter loses on both fronts.
AOTBE bigger size will mean lower %, because the schools don't want concentration.
Kids will have the highest chance coming from Nebraska.
Just call it affirmative action to try and make up for the Hunter shortage.

> like i said elsewhere it's ok---you got into yale...right?

Yeah, and it was cakewalk compared to Stuy.... best education out there. Competition is a good thing.

> you could be the yale borker,,,just kidding

Stuyborker is more impressive.

> this is also not a sentence, but i'd rather talk about why the theory behind this is wrong rather than the grammar.

Funny, considering how much you are talking about grammar, and little about the content.

And perhaps if you had better schooling, you might get capitalization down, too.

> i only saw who was going where and so i compiled the school ATTENDANCE data.

And that is my point. I was noting that Stuy's blowing away Hunter with Harvard attendance means that some of the folks who also got into the other schools didn't go there (Harvard has highest yield).

Anyone only looking at attendance is missing the larger picture.... in this case that the Stuy kids are getting into better schools within the "good schools".

> Of course Ivy schools get included. But to exclude the smaller liberal arts colleges that are recognized as equally outstanding institutions is
> to ignore all those students who simply had different preferences

I agree they shouldn't be ignored... I like the stats that include Amherst and Swarthmore, etc. They're the ones I first pointed at (might have been a different thread). Carleton, Middlebury, I think you're stretching a bit, we're not including Michigan or Emory in the stats either. You have to set a cutoff somewhere.

hahahahaaaaa.... seriously, of the top 30 students that got into a science/hunter etc school 1/2 ended being housewives in Albany. Of course in my class.

All I am saying rectum, is
1) are you buying manhattan RE in the next decade?
2) 1 accomplishment, is just that... ONE. It's a sustained marathon in life, you just got out of the blocks, just humble yourself you pansy loser. I was also the captain of the team in HS. Won't tell you which one, and I was one of the top 30 tested that YEAR in the ENTIRE CITY.

In your bio class this week, look to the right of you. He'll end up smoking his life away. Look to the left of you, she'll end up a divorcee in an abusive relationship with children from 3 separate fathers. Now look at yourself, getting into HUNTER guarantees you zip in life. Just cause everyone pumps the science school and hunter and private schools in general, the success at the top is still a normal curve, with 95% below 2 std deviations.

You just don't know yet. Oh, thank your parents, if it wasn't for them you'd be moving cow manure around in a field somewhere. Me, it was pig shit.

noctem, relax. you learn to do that more as you enter the decrepitude of your 40s. Only a handful here say anything critical. Most recognize the excellence of your h.s. People have fun making comparisons, just as your friends will argue whether Princeton is better than Yale or if Bowdoin is superior to Middlebury or Dartmouth. Of course it is all kind of silly. I started this thread because at the time I knew virtually nothing of the NYC special high schools and what limited info I had was fairly outdated (it has been a very long time since SATs or ACTs came up in any conversation I had).

I think the thread served its purpose. I think you could wring a drop or two of info from all the blather.

Thanks for weighing in. But really: relax. Don't take the bait here. Not worth it. Stay above the fray.

> the things that everyone before me said are all completely speculation. we shouldn't be discussing this.

Yes, we should NEVER discuss anything that isn't certain!

> we can't even define success.

so we shouldn't talk about it?

> is success determined by society or by the individual himself?

Both. Do we really have to pick just one. Success is somewhat relative, and somewhat absolute.

> or is success based on monetary or happiness levels? what if your local deli-man is the happiest man in the world,
> living on a $30,000 salary?

They I would call him "rich", but not wealthy and not successful. Great for him.
But maybe deli makes him happy, and power excites other people.

But don't pretend there isn't a scale here. These schools all talk about "creating leaders", and should be judged accordingly. Just as you judge the deli-man by his sandwiches.

But you can certainly judge places on what they claim to be good at.

> if criminals are the most successful because they live on no moral standards and yet are able to eke out a living?

Cheating isn't success... its cheating. You can successfully cheat, though.

> seeing how some of you are making such blanket statements frustrates me so much because you
> aren't qualified at all to make any of them.

So, we can't discuss what we value... but you are allowed to post over and over again about the meaning of life?

Come on, get a grip.

> just give me more solid proof please!

If you want solid proof, then you have to stick to much simpler things in life. Let the sun rise, and eat your deli sandwich. If you don't want complexity, don't jump in the debate.

huh kylewest, as much as you were probably the only responder of my comments who was swayed by logic rather than by (stuy) school pride, i disagree with you. i was having fun. i stay above the fray by actually trying to generate smart and logical answers. when people insult me, i respond. idk why im being singled out here.
also... w67thstreet "pansy loser"? really?? i still have time to be obnoxious -- im just a kid. but for an adult to be like that is sad.
anyways, thanks guys for reading my comments. i know they were super long, but apparently you've read them all. this was a challenging and fun experience for me. it felt good to argue everything that i couldn't argue in public (people may become upset at me). here under the guise of the internet i was free to say everything that annoyed me about the stuy vs hunter issue.
but now i am more biased than ever for hunter. i hope this clears things up for any third party readers who were wondering which school is better.

Counted number of Stuyvesant's class of 2010: 563
13- harvard (2.31%)
6- princeton (1.06%)
8- yale (1.42%)
23- columbia (4.09%)
2- stanford (0.36%)
5- upenn (0.89%)
0- california institute of technology (0.00%)
8- massachusetts institute of technology (1.42%)
Total: 65 students (11.55%)

Estimated amount of students in Hunter College High School's class of 2010: 180
2- harvard (1.10%)
3- princeton (1.67%)
7- yale (3.88%)
8- columbia (4.44%)
5- stanford (2.78%)
8- upenn (4.44%)
1- california institute of technology (0.56%)
2- massachusetts institute of technology (1.10%)
Total: 36 students (20%)

Based on the above, it's kind of unarguable elsewhere, that:

HCHS dusted Stuy re enrollement for 2010 at the above schools.
Deal with it. It's on Naviance for any with access to see. All charted and scattergrammed!!

You clearly love your stuyvesant, and think it better than HCHS, but for this metric you must concede.

and lol somewhereelse. im not even going to take that seriously. i cant believe that you would be so pretentious to TRY and define success. your values are most likely not going to fall in perfect concurrence with people who live in different environments. the whole point of my whole success spiel is that no one can even begin to define it as no one can define, say love.... to define something is to come up with a description that everyone agrees with. im not so sure that your definition is all too convincing for many. and lastly, i never said that this was too complex for me specifically. i said that this was a topic too complex for anyone to try and undertake. and by anyone, i meant you.

yesss wbottom thank you SO much. i was waiting for that.

go study! what the hell are you doing wasting your time on a NYC real estate board. I am here bc I'm pretty damn certain we saw the greatest RE bubble just burst, and I am LMAO as I "earn" $2MM on a leveraged basis as it falls down to $500psf. I do it for shitz and giggles... go DEVELOP a personality. jeez...

you've got 20 years to get your heart broken, learn there is no SANTA, girls put out for money and pedigree has NO bearing on success, no matter HOW you define it. Don't pansy out by re-defining "success" in order to make yourself "successful."

THERE IS ONLY ONE TRUE UNICORN. Excelsior!

w67 hurling epithets and insults at a high schooler. we have finally reached our nadir.

please noctem, go now--that was as nice as it gets, in that it was quite funny, no? but like the man said, go study!!

and maybe consider the redefine success part

noctem, are you over 18?

w67thstreet, aren't you cutting this a bit close? With your history of minors and your nudity and who knows what else follows.

By the way noctem, columbiacounty posted that if you mess with w67thstreet, you also mess with him. So watch out, you don't want columbiacounty rolling over your feet with his Rollator.

Wow. Somewhereelse and w67thstreet, are you really Stuy students? My sister goes there...Kind of sad she has to put up with immature, senseless people like you. (Also: If you're truly defending Stuy and not trying to make a mockery of it, do stop making illogical statements and hurling insults at anybody who disagrees with you, all it does is give a bad impression of Stuyvesant students)

That being said, it's a wonderful school. There is a lot of homework and academic pressure. I also have a friend that went to Hunter, and I can tell you it seems much the same in terms of quality education. Looking at the statistics about acceptance into good colleges...Statistics are statistics, they don't lie. Really, it depends what you make of the tools the schools give you.

In conclusion, both are great choices. I'd highly recommend either one.

@Sunday
The school that made to Bronz list is not Hunter College High School. The one you posted a link to is Hunter Science High School.